Hello Stas,

There are several folks here in Z1 who have questions and I am just wondering about a meeting place where folks can find you and direct questions to you.

I have been trying to answer questions where possible but I think folks would like to ask you themselves.

Where would be a good place I can direct folks to ask you questions or get info about telegram?

A node close to me here has suggested a support echo for telegram. Is there such a thing?

I suggest (well, a node close to me did) an area called TELEGRAM. Is that possible? If it was I would like to connect with your node to collect that echo and I would also connect interested nodes here if they chose.

Your thoughts on that?

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hi Alan,

On 2020-11-20 08:43:16, you wrote to Stas Mischchenkov:

Where would be a good place I can direct folks to ask you questions or
get info about telegram?

On Telegram of course! ;-)

Bye, Wilfred.

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Re: Re: Question about telegram
By: Wilfred van Velzen to Alan Ianson on Fri Nov 20 2020 06:02 pm

Where would be a good place I can direct folks to ask you questions
or get info about telegram?

On Telegram of course! ;-)

I agree. Some here have concerns over privacy and security so I am hopeful there is a place I can direct people to ask their questions and get answers. It wouldn't hurt if there was a telegram linked nodes there also.. :)

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hi Alan,

On 2020-11-20 09:11:04, you wrote to me:

Where would be a good place I can direct folks to ask you questions
or get info about telegram?

On Telegram of course! ;-)

I agree. Some here have concerns over privacy and security so I am hopeful there is a place I can direct people to ask their questions and get answers. It wouldn't hurt if there was a telegram linked nodes there also..
:)

They should setup an account on Telegram, so they can chat directly to Stas and the other Telegram users. And also get a feel for Telegram at the sametime.
It's nothing more than an whatsapp account, with most of them probably already have, so nothing to be afraid of...

Bye, Wilfred.

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Re: Re: Question about telegram
By: Wilfred van Velzen to Alan Ianson on Fri Nov 20 2020 06:16 pm

They should setup an account on Telegram, so they can chat directly to Stas and the other Telegram users. And also get a feel for Telegram at the sametime. It's nothing more than an whatsapp account, with most of them probably already have, so nothing to be afraid of...

That could certainly work for those who know what telegram is.

I don't have a telegram or whatsapp account myself so I don't know what it is and can't answer questions folks have.

I'm just an old fashioned BBS user and I think these folks with questions are too.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hi Alan,

On 2020-11-20 09:28:53, you wrote to me:

They should setup an account on Telegram, so they can chat directly
to Stas and the other Telegram users. And also get a feel for
Telegram at the sametime. It's nothing more than an whatsapp account,
with most of them probably already have, so nothing to be afraid
of...

That could certainly work for those who know what telegram is.

You don't have to know what Telegram is to start using it! ;)

I don't have a telegram or whatsapp account myself so I don't know
what it is and can't answer questions folks have.

Do you have a smartphone or a tablet?

I'm just an old fashioned BBS user and I think these folks with
questions are too.

But they are also (at least somewhat) technical people, so they wouldn't have a problema with operating a smartphone...

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Alan,

On 2020-11-20 09:11:04, you wrote to me:

Where would be a good place I can direct folks to ask you questions AI>>> or get info about telegram?

On Telegram of course! ;-)

I agree. Some here have concerns over privacy and security so I am hopeful
there is a place I can direct people to ask their questions and get answers. It wouldn't hurt if there was a telegram linked nodes there also..
:)

They should setup an account on Telegram, so they can chat directly to Stas and the other Telegram users. And also get a feel for Telegram at the sametime.
It's nothing more than an whatsapp account, with most of them probably already have, so nothing to be afraid of...

Bye, Wilfred.

Why not produce an invite link to the FidoNet group that you created and administer? ;)


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Hi Alan,

On 2020-11-20 09:49:30, you wrote to me:

You don't have to know what Telegram is to start using it! ;)

Maybe, I don't know how or why I would want to use it. It could be I may use it at some point but it just hasn't come up.

Why does anyone use a messaging app? To communicate with friends, familly and acquaintances...

Do you have a smartphone or a tablet?

I have a smartphone and I do have AfterShock on it. It's OK to read but I don't enjoy writing on it.

You need it to setup the account, but once you have done that you can install a desktop client program (windows, apple, linux), and use that. I do that most of the time.

My other half has a tablet that I could use if I can get it away from her.. ;)

If it's android or apple, you can get the client in the appstore.


Bye, Wilfred.

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Re: Re: Question about telegram
By: Wilfred van Velzen to Alan Ianson on Fri Nov 20 2020 06:53 pm

Why does anyone use a messaging app? To communicate with friends, familly and acquaintances...

I suppose that is so. Aside from my BBS habit and a bit of gaming most of my life happens away from the keyboard. That might be why it hasn't come up for me.

You need it to setup the account, but once you have done that you can install a desktop client program (windows, apple, linux), and use that. I do that most of the time.

You need a smartphone to setup your account, you can't do it from your PC?

I'm not really connected to my phone either.. ;)

If it's android or apple, you can get the client in the appstore.

It is an android. I'll look into all that.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hi Alan,

On 2020-11-20 10:21:52, you wrote to me:

You need it to setup the account, but once you have done that you can
install a desktop client program (windows, apple, linux), and use
that. I do that most of the time.

You need a smartphone to setup your account, you can't do it from your PC?

I don't remember the details, but I think you at least need a uniq phone number, which will be linked to your Telegram account. (Maybe just to receive an sms)


Bye, Wilfred.

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They should setup an account on Telegram, so
they can chat directly to Stas and the other
Telegram users. And also get a feel for Telegram
at the sametime..

Actually using it could answer most questions. There is a built-in button that takes the user to the offical FAQ.

That could certainly work for those who know
what telegram is.

I don't have a telegram or whatsapp account
myself so I don't know what it is and can't answer
questions folks have.

I'm just an old fashioned BBS user and I think these
folks with questions are too.

Simple. Steer them to https://telegram.org/

For FAQ, the following page does a pretty good job:

https://telegram.org/faq

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Re: Re: Question about telegram
By: August Abolins to Alan Ianson on Sat Nov 21 2020 02:47 am

Simple. Steer them to https://telegram.org/

I have pointed out the website and quoted a bit from the FAQ. I am not sure that I have answered the questions I was asked well. There was a bit of hate I was seeing, or maybe it was fear of the unknown.

We could use any area. This area would also do fine I think as would NET_DEV. I just wonder what would work for Stas and once I know I'll direct questions I can't answer there.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Alan!

** On Friday 20.11.20 - 16:51, Alan Ianson wrote to August Abolins:

Simple. Steer them to https://telegram.org/

I have pointed out the website and quoted a bit from the
FAQ. I am not sure that I have answered the questions I
was asked well. There was a bit of hate I was seeing, or
maybe it was fear of the unknown.

Perhaps you can reassure those people that their existing
echomail, the non-Telegram-linked ones, are gated and massaged
to fit other platforms (uucp, nntp) and hosted on mysterious
VPS equipment and ISP servers in unknown places all over the
world just the same. Sometimes a simple google search for an
echotag and a username will produce a few more horrors that
they are not aware of.

Some people just have to look in the mirror. There are
numerous BBSes that freely scrape data from websites and plop
it in echomail. Personally, I think the ability can be useful!
But if those sysops and users partake of those echos and
appreciate it, are their assurances that permission was
granted from those sources? Or, have the sources been informed
that their data is being distributed on the mysterious Fidonet
"platform"? There is no hypocrisy in Fidonet, right? ;)

We could use any area. This area would also do fine I think as would NET_DEV. I just wonder what would work for Stas and once I know I'll direct questions I can't answer there.

NET_DEV, according to the desc, seems to be focused on the
tech that supports nodes connecting to other nodes. Stas' node
and the packets he processes complies with all that.

I would rather see a TELEGRAM.FIDONET echo for discussion on
that topic.

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Re: Question about telegram
By: August Abolins to Alan Ianson on Fri Nov 20 2020 08:46 pm

Or, have the sources been informed that their data is being distributed on the mysterious Fidonet "platform"? There is no hypocrisy in Fidonet, right? ;)

Right. ;)

NET_DEV, according to the desc, seems to be focused on the
tech that supports nodes connecting to other nodes. Stas' node
and the packets he processes complies with all that.

As far as I remember NET_DEV is all about Fido and/or FTN technology. It's mostly rather techie and regular fido users would be uncomfortable there, but I think discussion of telegram or the tg gate would fit there nicely.

I would rather see a TELEGRAM.FIDONET echo for discussion on
that topic.

I like this idea best myself. It was my RC who suggested this idea to me. He is not hating on telegram but he does have questions as others have that I was not able to answer.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Alan!

** On Friday 20.11.20 - 19:09, Alan Ianson wrote to August Abolins:

As far as I remember NET_DEV is all about Fido and/or FTN
technology. It's mostly rather techie and regular fido
users would be uncomfortable there, but I think
discussion of telegram or the tg gate would fit there
nicely.

Maybe someone else could chime in, but the linkup from Stas'
BBS (Lame Users Breeding) and fido is copacetic.

NET_DEV seems to be limited to internode cooperation wrt the
technology or code required to moving data between nodes, all
fido-side. The Telegram concerns presented here have nothing
to do with that.

Perhaps the *real* development that is needed could be
discussed and honed in TELEGRAM_ATTITUDE_DEV ;)

I would rather see a TELEGRAM.FIDONET echo for discussion on
that topic.

I like this idea best myself. It was my RC who suggested
this idea to me. He is not hating on telegram but he does
have questions as others have that I was not able to
answer.

I would be in favour of moving Telegram debate (and any
dubious attitude) over there.

So, who wants to set up TELEGRAM.FIDONET? Should it be part
of the elist system? I don't mind talking to the elist bot.


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So, who wants to set up TELEGRAM.FIDONET? Should it be part
of the elist system? I don't mind talking to the elist bot.

People could advertise their user names, or ask about how to setup the program.


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Hello Matt!

** On Friday 20.11.20 - 22:01, Matt Munson wrote to August Abolins:

People could advertise their user names, or ask about how
to setup the program.

You can see all the full names and usernames of anyone in the
group once you join it.

The echo FIDONET.TELEGRAM is now available at a feed near you!


I would be happy to see most of the questions and concerns
that people have about using Telegram in conjunction with
Fidonet be dealt with there.

And, if you'd like to hop right in with your installation of
Telegram, you can use this:

https://t.me/joinchat/SPBwvE1gkHzEKAkapsHkdQ

Thanks!
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Hi, Alan!

20 ¡«∩ 20 09:11, Alan Ianson -> Wilfred van Velzen:

On Telegram of course! ;-)

I agree. Some here have concerns over privacy and security so I am hopeful there is a place I can direct people to ask their questions and get answers. It wouldn't hurt if there was a telegram linked nodes there also.. :)

It amazes me, what kind of privacy they can talk about in Fido? Especially when it comes to echo conferencing. The FPD itself says that no one can and should not provide this. Are there really so many sysops in the first zone who are completely unfamiliar with this document?

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Re: Question about telegram
By: Stas Mishchenkov to Alan Ianson on Wed Nov 25 2020 08:56 pm

It amazes me, what kind of privacy they can talk about in Fido?

Yes, this took me by surprise. I have always considered an echo area to be open to all who care to participate. TTBOMK, fido echoes have always been available by various means like BBSs, nodes, points and other means also.

Especially when it comes to echo conferencing. The FPD itself says that no one can and should not provide this. Are there really so many sysops in the first zone who are completely unfamiliar with this document?

I have a copy close by but I admit I have not looked in a very long time.. ;)

Now that this area is widely available (I think) I'll go back and let folks who have questions know that they can get answers here.

I have no problems or complaints myself with the telegram link and no one has netmailed me any questions about it. I suspect there may be questions that remain.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hi, Alan!

20 ¡«∩ 20 09:11, Alan Ianson -> Wilfred van Velzen:

On Telegram of course! ;-)

I agree. Some here have concerns over privacy and security so I am hopeful
there is a place I can direct people to ask their questions and get answers. It wouldn't hurt if there was a telegram linked nodes there also.. :)

It amazes me, what kind of privacy they can talk about in Fido? Especially when it comes to echo conferencing. The FPD itself says that no one can and should not provide this. Are there really so many sysops in the first zone who are completely unfamiliar with this document?

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

I don't think that is so much as being unfamiliar with it as it is just ignoring the parts they don't want to use.


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|11SM|09> |10in the first zone who are completely unfamiliar with this document?|07
Many of us just ignore the document. Ive been a Fido sysop since 1996.


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