Here's wishing all readers of this echo a great New Year!

I wonder what new technology changes we'll be seeing as we look to the future to the Roaring Twenties! <g>

The rollout of IPv6 may affect legacy fidonet systems sooner than expected.

In my understanding the main issue will be IPv4 systems unable to reach (poll) IPv6-only systems. Otherwise, IPv4 systems will only be able to receive incoming polls from IPv6 systems, and be limited to incoming and outgoing only to other IPv4 systems. ???

I am sure the FTN community is resourceful and helpful enough to adapt and find
workarounds as required.

..August.

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On 31 Dec 19 21:49:59, August Abolins said the following to All:

I am sure the FTN community is resourceful and helpful enough to adapt and find workarounds as required.

We are all very smart Sysops... the universe will unfold as it should and Fido will adapt. However...

For what seems to be close to a decade now... a *decade* I'm pretty
sure of it... I've heard nothing but absolute whining petulent chicken-little sky-is-falling total BS nonsense about IPV6 from a certain individual.

That individual has chosen to make IPV6 his make-busy pet project because he has "no life"; he has had meltdowns when someone dared to correct him about
the lack of speedy IPV6 adoption in other countries... like Canada. And if you don't adapt to IPV6, you are an absolute horror of an incompetent human being.

The two most criticial programs here... D'Bridge and BinkD, are already IPV6 capable. The rest of my network at home is my own problem to deal with and I'm in no rush. If and when I'm forced to update to IPV6, I will.

Nick

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On 12-31-19 21:49, August Abolins wrote to All <=-

Here's wishing all readers of this echo a great New Year!

I wonder what new technology changes we'll be seeing as we look to the future to the Roaring Twenties! <g>

We will evolve. :)

The rollout of IPv6 may affect legacy fidonet systems sooner than expected.

In my understanding the main issue will be IPv4 systems unable to reach (poll) IPv6-only systems. Otherwise, IPv4 systems will only be able to receive incoming polls from IPv6 systems, and be limited to incoming
and outgoing only to other IPv4 systems. ???

Appropriate routing will help. Systems like mine, that have connectivity both ways on IPv4 and IPv6 will be a key to keeping us all talking, because we can be used as gateways between the IPv4 and IPv6 Fidonet nodes. It probably would be advantageous for major hubs to have full connectivity using both protocols, and then use the appropriate protocol for their downlinks.

I am sure the FTN community is resourceful and helpful enough to adapt
and find workarounds as required.

Shouldn't be too difficult.


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31 Dec 19 21:49, August Abolins wrote to All:

The rollout of IPv6 may affect legacy fidonet systems sooner than

expected.

This system runs on a legacy os: OS/2. It doesn't know anything about IPv6.

However, it runs behind a linux router and is connectable via IPv6. In and out.

So don't worry. Be happy. :)

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On 01-02-20 09:55, Tommi Koivula wrote to August Abolins <=-

31 Dec 19 21:49, August Abolins wrote to All:

The rollout of IPv6 may affect legacy fidonet systems sooner than

expected.

This system runs on a legacy os: OS/2. It doesn't know anything about IPv6.

However, it runs behind a linux router and is connectable via IPv6. In
and out.

So don't worry. Be happy. :)

You forwarding ports on IPv6 to IPv4 LAN addresses?


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Hi Tony.

02 Jan 20 20:36, you wrote to me:

This system runs on a legacy os: OS/2. It doesn't know anything about
IPv6.

However, it runs behind a linux router and is connectable via IPv6. In
and out.

So don't worry. Be happy. :)

You forwarding ports on IPv6 to IPv4 LAN addresses?

Yes.

And out via proxy.

'Tommi

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On 02/01/2020 2:55 a.m., Tommi Koivula : August Abolins wrote:

The rollout of IPv6 may affect legacy fidonet systems sooner
than expected.

This system runs on a legacy os: OS/2. It doesn't know anything
about IPv6.

I'm impressed with the OS/2 part.

I have a perfectly fine boxed copy of Warp Connect V3. If you ever feel you need to "upgrade", give me a shout. I still have an unopened box of Lotus Smartsuite for OS/2 (orig Retail $30). As you can tell, I had plans from long ago that never came to fruition.

However, it runs behind a linux router and is connectable via
IPv6. In and out.

So don't worry. Be happy.

I suppose original warning/concern is for sysops with legacy software *and* IPv4 routers/service only, for they would not be able to reach IPv6-only systems in the nodelist directly. But appropriate routing, tunneling, shimming, gating ..etc, will surely connects us all in the IPv6 x IPv4 fidonet matrix.

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On 31/12/2019 6:18 p.m., Tony Langdon : August Abolins wrote:

Appropriate routing will help. Systems like mine, that have
connectivity both ways on IPv4 and IPv6 will be a key..

Hi Tony,

The solution solving for the new scenario ought to be in each sysop's wheelhouse, purview and interest to make things work. But, there will be compromises. The direct P2P connectivity as per the nodelist, the luxury of bi-directional crash mail, will have glitches though.

Lots of fun to look forward too. :) Hope it doesn't frustrate too many and just give up.

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Hello August!

02 Jan 20 19:53, you wrote to Tony Langdon:

On 31/12/2019 6:18 p.m., Tony Langdon : August Abolins wrote:

Appropriate routing will help. Systems like mine, that have
connectivity both ways on IPv4 and IPv6 will be a key..

Where is the above problem different from legacy systems, that only support POTS, now that many nodes become IP only.

Kees

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On 01-02-20 12:01, Tommi Koivula wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

You forwarding ports on IPv6 to IPv4 LAN addresses?

Yes.

And out via proxy.

Cool. Curious what you're using to do the forwarding/proxying. Might be something to experiment with. I don't have a current need, but if I want to put some legacy system online, it would be handy to know.


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On 01-02-20 19:53, August Abolins wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

On 31/12/2019 6:18 p.m., Tony Langdon : August Abolins wrote:

Appropriate routing will help. Systems like mine, that have
connectivity both ways on IPv4 and IPv6 will be a key..

Hi Tony,

The solution solving for the new scenario ought to be in each sysop's wheelhouse, purview and interest to make things work. But, there will
be compromises. The direct P2P connectivity as per the nodelist, the luxury of bi-directional crash mail, will have glitches though.

We had that in the past - some modems wouldn't connect, and sometimes there were incompatibilities, though for the most part, dialup Fido nodes were able to communicate directly.

Lots of fun to look forward too. :) Hope it doesn't frustrate too
many and just give up.

I'm up for a bit of fun. :)

Tunneling and proxying are a couple of solutions.

I've become a sign of what the future could look like for some nodes. I run native IPv6, and am bringing in extra IPv4 addresses over IPv6 using OpenVPN. For me it's a bit of a luxury to get extra addresses - I _could_ have done port forwarding from my public IPv4 provided by the ISP, but I wanted to give each system its own IPv4 address, and didn't want to be using a bunch of non standard ports.


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On 01-02-20 19:16, August Abolins wrote to Tommi Koivula <=-

I'm impressed with the OS/2 part.

Yeah, I'd like to run OS/2 again, or one of the more modern descendents.

I have a perfectly fine boxed copy of Warp Connect V3. If you ever
feel you need to "upgrade", give me a shout. I still have an unopened
box of Lotus Smartsuite for OS/2 (orig Retail $30). As you can tell, I had plans from long ago that never came to fruition.

I've got a copy of V3 and V4 here. Just working out how best to run it - which VM technology. OS/2 does run under VirtualBox, but I had some HDD configuration and booting issues when trying to use multiple virtual HDDs, which I needed to copy data. Had no luck under VMware - all it did was kill th VM. :(

However, it runs behind a linux router and is connectable via
IPv6. In and out.

So don't worry. Be happy.

Cool, I may look at doing that, if I can get my RA system back up as a virtual museum piece. :)


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On 01-02-20 23:11, Kees van Eeten wrote to August Abolins <=-

Where is the above problem different from legacy systems, that only support POTS, now that many nodes become IP only.

Good point. :)


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On 03.01.2020 11:40, Tony Langdon - Tommi Koivula :

 TL>> You forwarding ports on IPv6 to IPv4 LAN addresses?

 TK>> Yes.

 TK>> And out via proxy.

Cool.  Curious what you're using to do the forwarding/proxying.  Might be something to experiment with.  I don't have a current need, but if I want

to

put some legacy system online, it would be handy to know.

I wrote about this in IPV6 echo a long time ago.

Squid and Privoxy can do the trick, and many others I think. Right now I am using Privoxy in a linux computer that has a 4G/LTE connection to the world, so
the outbound traffic is much faster than inbound (10/1M ADSL). :)

There is not much to set up in Binkd/OS2. Just to tell binkd to use proxy, and the proxy in linux will do outbound by IPV6 by default. :)

'Tommi

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On 02.01.2020 19:16, August Abolins :

I have a perfectly fine boxed copy of Warp Connect V3. If you ever
feel you need to "upgrade", give me a shout.

Warp Connect would be a major downgrade. :)

'Tommi

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On 03/01/2020 5:49 a.m., Tommi Koivula : August Abolins wrote:

I have a perfectly fine boxed copy of Warp Connect V3. If you
ever feel you need to "upgrade", give me a shout.

Warp Connect would be a major downgrade.

Hmmmm. I thought you were using truly "legacy" OS/2, as in 2.0 or 2.1

But I see that Connect does not support USB. That would not be fun.

Another one goes to the dump. :(

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Hi August.

03 Jan 20 19:11:46, you wrote to me:

On 03/01/2020 5:49 a.m., Tommi Koivula : August Abolins wrote:

I have a perfectly fine boxed copy of Warp Connect V3. If you
ever feel you need to "upgrade", give me a shout.

Warp Connect would be a major downgrade.

Hmmmm. I thought you were using truly "legacy" OS/2, as in 2.0 or 2.1

Ouch. ;)

No, WSeB 4.52.

But I see that Connect does not support USB. That would not be fun.

I have never had USB devices in any OS/2 system. :)

'Tommi

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On 01-03-20 12:46, Tommi Koivula wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

I wrote about this in IPV6 echo a long time ago.

Cool

Squid and Privoxy can do the trick, and many others I think. Right now
I am using Privoxy in a linux computer that has a 4G/LTE connection to
the world, so the outbound traffic is much faster than inbound (10/1M ADSL). :)

Sounds like something I could put on one of my Linux systems here.

There is not much to set up in Binkd/OS2. Just to tell binkd to use
proxy, and the proxy in linux will do outbound by IPV6 by default. :)

That makes sense. Well done. :)


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