Hi All I would have thought that this would have been a busy echo.
If there are any sysops intrested in discussing the future lets start an echo ! Steve Reader
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Hi Steve!

31 Mar 2022 14:25, from Steve Reader -> all:

If there are any sysops intrested in discussing the future lets start
an echo!

The echo exists, but feel free to start the discussion here ;)

CU, Ricsi

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On 31 Mar 2022, Steve Reader said the following...

Hi All I would have thought that this would have been a busy echo.
If there are any sysops intrested in discussing the future lets start an echo ! Steve Reader

Why start an echo if this one is here ?

What is your take for the future of Fido?

... WOMAN.ZIP - Great program but no documentation

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Hello Steve Reader!

** On Thursday 31.03.22 - 14:25, Steve Reader wrote to all:

Hi All I would have thought that this would have been a busy echo.

Welcome to the echo!

Check out the backlist of messages if you can. Things started
humming along very nicely in 2019.


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Hello Flavio Bessa!

** On Thursday 31.03.22 - 11:07, Flavio Bessa wrote to Steve Reader:

What is your take for the future of Fido?

There's been a lot of "take".
What is probably needed is more "give". :D

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On 31 Mar 2022, August Abolins said the following...

There's been a lot of "take".
What is probably needed is more "give". :D

Indeed...

... Old computers make great boat anchors

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On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 14:25:34 +0100
"Steve Reader" <steve.reader@3:640/1321.4> wrote:

Hi All I would have thought that this would have been a busy echo.
If there are any sysops intrested in discussing the future lets start
an echo ! Steve Reader

There is no future. Not sure about anyone else but most of my callers
are other sysops or users wanting to relive the good times and call a
few times and then that's that.

People, generally, are not bothered about bulletin boards any more, not
when they can have instant email and instant news from the site of
their choice. If they want to talk to people, they have facebook, if
they want to view images, they don't have to download them, they can go
to Instragram. If they want to real time chat, they have snap chat.

Until someone can find a way to make board relevant in the modern
society, you're doomed to talking to the same people on the same boards
about the same subjects.

IMHO.
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On 01 Apr 2022, Nigel Reed said the following...

There is no future. Not sure about anyone else but most of my callers
are other sysops or users wanting to relive the good times and call a
few times and then that's that.

People, generally, are not bothered about bulletin boards any more, not when they can have instant email and instant news from the site of
their choice. If they want to talk to people, they have facebook, if
they want to view images, they don't have to download them, they can go
to Instragram. If they want to real time chat, they have snap chat.

Until someone can find a way to make board relevant in the modern
society, you're doomed to talking to the same people on the same boards about the same subjects.

That might be the case indeed, but I still believe that there is some
hope in our cause.

The problem is that before it was really easy to get users. A simple
ad at the local newspaper and hundreds of people would dial up to
your system.. those times are gone.

What I am trying to do is to bring the BBS to some of these
retrocomputing events that happen at my city every now and then.
With the COVID restrictions lifted, probably we will have one in the
upcoming months and I plan to participate bringing a system on an
old laptop, so people can really see it.

Let's see how it goes.

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//Hello Steve,//

on *31.03.22* at *13:25:34* You wrote in Area *FUTURE4FIDO*
to *all* about *"future for fido"*.

Hi All I would have thought that this would have been a busy echo. If there are any sysops intrested in discussing the future lets start an
echo !

I think the Echo is related to an old project.

Still, future is good for everybody :)

Regards,
Tim

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On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 11:10:22 -0300
"Flavio Bessa" <flavio.bessa@4:801/188> wrote:

On 01 Apr 2022, Nigel Reed said the following...

There is no future. Not sure about anyone else but most of my
callers are other sysops or users wanting to relive the good
times and call a few times and then that's that.

People, generally, are not bothered about bulletin boards any
more, not when they can have instant email and instant news from
the site of their choice. If they want to talk to people, they
have facebook, if they want to view images, they don't have to
download them, they can go to Instragram. If they want to real
time chat, they have snap chat.

Until someone can find a way to make board relevant in the modern society, you're doomed to talking to the same people on the same
boards about the same subjects.

That might be the case indeed, but I still believe that there is
some hope in our cause.

The problem is that before it was really easy to get users. A
simple ad at the local newspaper and hundreds of people would dial up
to your system.. those times are gone.

What I am trying to do is to bring the BBS to some of these
retrocomputing events that happen at my city every now and then.
With the COVID restrictions lifted, probably we will have one in
the upcoming months and I plan to participate bringing a system on an
old laptop, so people can really see it.

That's a good idea. I wonder if I can donate a PC to the local computer
museum with a copy of syncterm and a few bulletin boards. I'd have to
find some way to lock the config so people don't save their credentials
or add other boards.

Thanks for the idea.
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//Hello Nigel,//

on *01.04.22* at *5:27:48* You wrote in Area *FUTURE4FIDO*
to *Steve Reader* about *"Re: future for fido"*.

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 14:25:34 +0100
"Steve Reader" <steve.reader@3:640/1321.4> wrote:

Hi All I would have thought that this would have been a busy echo. If
there are any sysops intrested in discussing the future lets start an echo
! Steve Reader

There is no future. Not sure about anyone else but most of my callers are other sysops or users wanting to relive the good times and call a few times and then that's that.

I think this is all about content. Back in the days, fido offered two types of interesting content
- files
- echo areas

For many users I knew, files where in fact the most important thing as the BBSes where not only distributing a lot of stuff for the tech guys, but also busloads of porn and pirated software conveniently delivered to your home (that had no internet). The internet does this now for normal people and will continue to do so.

Echo areas once where a valuable ressource ... connected users to experts ... or just other users to have BBQ every other week. This is gone, the echos are empty and while the Usenet is still alive, there seem to be hardly enough people to make this interesting again. I still see it as a niche ... a hobby for old tech people ... but I doubt it will every regain significant user numbers.

Still, I see the echos as the relevant part of what remains and would in fact see some value in file nets as they existed in the past, also because it turns out that the internet's memmory is even worse than mine when it comes to certain files. Try to get old tech standards, source code samples or anything that was around everwhery decades ago. Many things virtually vanished. Keeping a library of them is an interesting application, but could of course done as well on a web-based system.

Regards,
Tim

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Nigel Reed wrote to All <=-

The problem is that before it was really easy to get users. A
simple ad at the local newspaper and hundreds of people would dial up
to your system.. those times are gone.

What I am trying to do is to bring the BBS to some of these
retrocomputing events that happen at my city every now and then.
With the COVID restrictions lifted, probably we will have one in
the upcoming months and I plan to participate bringing a system on an
old laptop, so people can really see it.

That's a good idea. I wonder if I can donate a PC to the local
computer museum with a copy of syncterm and a few bulletin
boards. I'd have to find some way to lock the config so people
don't save their credentials or add other boards.

Thanks for the idea.

That's a great thing to do. Another possibility might be the same
thing at a local branch library.



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On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 18:34:00 +0200
"Tim Schattkowsky" <tim.schattkowsky@2:310/31.6> wrote:

Still, I see the echos as the relevant part of what remains and would
in fact see some value in file nets as they existed in the past, also
because it turns out that the internet's memmory is even worse than
mine when it comes to certain files. Try to get old tech standards,
source code samples or anything that was around everwhery decades
ago. Many things virtually vanished. Keeping a library of them is an interesting application, but could of course done as well on a
web-based system.

One place bulletin boards are still relevant is the dial up world where
people have no internet, or it's highly restricted by their government.
Using a dialup BBS is a good way to get reliable news and relay
messages to the outside world.

A lot of people in Russia, for example, maybe have limited access to
world news and opinion, which can easily be found through a dialup BBS.
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Hello Tim!

** On Wednesday 06.04.22 - 18:24, you wrote to Steve Reader:

Hi All I would have thought that this would have been a
busy echo. If there are any sysops intrested in
discussing the future lets start an echo !

I think the Echo is related to an old project.

I haven't posted this description in a while..

THIS ECHO (The abridged version):

NAME: FUTURE4FIDO

GROUP: FIDO

TITLe: Discussion of new and future Fidonet technologies.

DESCription:

A place for anyone interested in talking about existing fidonet
programs, improvements to all things Fidonet-related but limited to
technology-talk. Enthusiasm is welcome. Visionaries are invited.
Brainstorming is encouraged. Apathy is discouraged.

DIStribution: Worldwide

Still, future is good for everybody :)

Even the annoucement of the revitalization of your Winpoint is
good for this echo.
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//Hello August,//

on *08.04.22* at *2:15:00* You wrote in Area *FUTURE4FIDO*
to *Tim Schattkowsky* about *"future for fido"*.

Hello Tim!

** On Wednesday 06.04.22 - 18:24, you wrote to Steve Reader:

Hi All I would have thought that this would have been a busy echo. If
there are any sysops intrested in discussing the future lets start an
echo !

I think the Echo is related to an old project.

I haven't posted this description in a while..

I think I mixed some things up :) Memory is getting worse of the years.

Of course I support the idea of this echo and would love to see even more discussion going on.

Regards,
Tim

--- WinPoint 408.3
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Hello Tim!

*** Friday 08.04.22 at 15:59, Tim Schattkowsky wrote to August Abolins:

Hi All I would have thought that this would have been a busy echo. If
there are any sysops intrested in discussing the future lets start an
echo !

I think the Echo is related to an old project.

I haven't posted this description in a while..

I think I mixed some things up :) Memory is getting worse of the years.

Yep, I know the feeling only too well :-/

Of course I support the idea of this echo and would love to see even more discussion going on.

Perhaps folks might like to comment on your suggestion which you posted recently in FTSC_PUBLIC .....

*** Thursday 10.02.22 at 14:42, Tim Schattkowsky wrote to All:

Hello All,

when using Fido today I regularly hit the wall when I notice that I would like to *attach at least a picture* to illustrate something. Also, people keep sendig me fido messages that refer to pictures put on their web space. This feels odd.

Also, the current practice for *text styles is limited* in application
and not well-defined. Still, this seems to be the minor of the two
issues.

I think this is really something that could/should be addressed in some way to enable relevant contemporary communication through fido.

To adress this, I see _at least_ two options:

1) Do it fully email-style by using MIME with HTML text and embedded/referenced pictures. This will be a lot to implement and particularly difficult to handle in 16-Bit software due to memory restrictions and lack of frameworks. Also, memory comes to mind when considering the size of the resulting messages. Using @SPLIT, these could be extended beyound 63k, but the resulting messages might be considered an annoyance. 2) Define a simple fidonet-compatible way that
is more in line with existing fido technology (particularly a maximum message length of 63k) but still enables including at least a picture and maybe simple text styles while maintaining readability on non-compatible systems.

I find both alternatives interesting, but currently I prefer the latter with a focus on embedding the picture. The idea would by to have
something that is more like the ability to post a picture on social media platforms. So instead of providing half a text processor for creating formatted text, people can just include the picture with their fidonet mail and ideally the editor will recompress the picture as needed to a
jpg to limit the resuling message size including the encoding picture to 63k.

My idea for the latter would be to include the .jpg as Base64 and add a kludge to it for inline-display. This could also be done for multiple images.

An alternative would be including a link to the picture like we do today, but enabling the reader to automatically download such pictures and maybe include automated upload/linking of the image in the editor. However,
that would be quite dependent on other services.

*What do you think?*

Regards,
Tim
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What do *I* think? .....

I absolutely love the idea of being able to use a Fido message reader
capable of displaying *inline* images in Fido messages.

Go for it! :-))

Regards,
Martin

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I absolutely love the idea of being able to use a Fido message
reader capable of displaying *inline* images in Fido messages.

HotdogEd does it. It displays images inline, both from external URLs and uuencoded images. (Also youtube thumbnail previews)


Carlos
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So HotdogEd displays images and youtube thumbnails? I must try it... I love BBSing, so Im attached to "textmode" only idea... but of course, we are talking about FidoNet here, and here I am, posting through the Telegram gate ;)
Maybe we need to "invite" new people showing them HotdogEd, Stas Mischenkov's gate, WinPoint, etc... more traffic would be good for all of us, even for those that usually do BBSs only. A critical mass of hundreds (even thousands... lets dream together) of new users would add a lot of fresh ideas and "future" for our beloved Fido (and maybe others FTNs too).
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On 09/04/2022 11:48, Carlos Navarro : Martin Foster wrote:

MF> I absolutely love the idea of being able to use a Fido message
MF> reader capable of displaying *inline* images in Fido messages.

HotdogEd does it.

Is there a Desktop PC version?

It displays images inline, both from external URLs and uuencoded images. (Also youtube thumbnail previews)

Hmmmm, yummy :-))

Regards,
Martin

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HotdogEd does it.

Is there a Desktop PC version?

Nope, sorry. Android only.


--
Carlos
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moin Tim,

09 Apr 22 10:55, from Martin Foster -> Tim Schattkowsky, in URL area://FUTURE4FIDO?msgid=2:310/31.3@fidonet+fb436e8c:

Perhaps folks might like to comment on your suggestion which you
posted recently in FTSC_PUBLIC .....

*** Thursday 10.02.22 at 14:42, Tim Schattkowsky wrote to All:

Hello All,

when using Fido today I regularly hit the wall when I notice that
I would like to *attach at least a picture* to illustrate
something. Also, people keep sendig me fido messages that refer
to pictures put on their web space. This feels odd.

Also, the current practice for *text styles is limited* in
application and not well-defined. Still, this seems to be the
minor of the two issues.

I think this is really something that could/should be addressed
in some way to enable relevant contemporary communication through
fido.

To adress this, I see _at least_ two options:

1) Do it fully email-style by using MIME with HTML text and
embedded/referenced pictures. This will be a lot to implement
...
non-compatible systems.

one more idea ...

regular message text in a text folder ...
including a message into a text create a reference link
within the text and put the picture into a subdirectory attachment

areafolder with *.msg and
areafolder\attach with *.pics or other attachments

all to have to be signaled is that this echo and this message has an attachfolder

the idea relates to the idea how html pages are stored to your local hard drive if you save a html pages, the local saved html page often includes a subdirectory
that stores the included pictures and other stuff

how the content is transfered from one system to another, there are a couple of options:
maybe to combine echo- and fileecho ... or include the attachment through the echo distribution with addtl packages and tossers that are able to handle such attachment packages

one smooth option is to handle echoes and fileechos in parallel ...
future4fido as echo area and
future4fido.att as fileecho

future4fido handled by the tosser in old style way put the message into a folder future4fido.echo
future4fido.att handled by fileticker in old style way put the attachments (if any) into a folder
future4fido.echo.att

a message with a picture included references / includes the picture with eg att\msgid-12345-pic-1234.jpg





regards, uli ;-)
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Hello Carlos!

*** Saturday 09.04.22 at 13:30:55, Carlos Navarro wrote to Martin Foster:

HotdogEd does it.

Is there a Desktop PC version?

Nope, sorry. Android only.

Well, that's a shame.

However, I have my phone linked to my Win10 PC, so perhaps I should install Hotdoged on my phone and then see if I can use it on my PC.

Regards,
Martin

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10 Apr 2022 08:22, you wrote to me:

HotdogEd does it.

Is there a Desktop PC version?

Nope, sorry. Android only.

Well, that's a shame.

However, I have my phone linked to my Win10 PC, so perhaps I should install Hotdoged on my phone and then see if I can use it on my PC.

Maybe it can be used on an Android emulator, like BlueStack. (I haven't tested this.)

Carlos

--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
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Hi, Carlos!

09 á»α 22 15:30, Carlos Navarro -> Martin Foster:

HotdogEd does it.

Is there a Desktop PC version?

Nope, sorry. Android only.

https://www.bluestacks.com/ ;)

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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12 Apr 2022 12:15, you wrote to me:

HotdogEd does it.

Is there a Desktop PC version?

Nope, sorry. Android only.

https://www.bluestacks.com/ ;)

Yup, I made a typo in my previous message O:-)

Have you tried HotdogEd with it? (I haven't but may do some day)

Carlos

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Hi, Carlos!

12 á»α 22 19:06, Carlos Navarro -> Stas Mishchenkov:

HotdogEd does it.

Is there a Desktop PC version?

Nope, sorry. Android only.

https://www.bluestacks.com/ ;)

Yup, I made a typo in my previous message O:-)

Have you tried HotdogEd with it? (I haven't but may do some day)

No. I don't find Hotdogs comfortable.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Have you tried HotdogEd with it? (I haven't but may do some day)

No. I don't find Hotdogs comfortable.

I think they are OK with enough mustard ... and some sliced pickle

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Have you tried HotdogEd with it? (I haven't but may do some day)

No. I don't find Hotdogs comfortable.

I think they are OK with enough mustard ... and some sliced pickle

Pickles? THAT is weird!
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Flavio wrote to Ward Dossche <=-

I think they are OK with enough mustard ... and some sliced pickle

Pickles? THAT is weird!

That's a Chicago-style hot dog. Every US state or city seems to have their
own variation on a dog.

I'm still partial to stone ground mustard, onions, cheese and diced
tomatoes.


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Hello Don!

*** Saturday 09.04.22 at 15:40, Don Epifanio wrote to All:

[snip]

Maybe we need to "invite" new people showing them HotdogEd, Stas Mischenkov's gate, WinPoint, etc...

Nice idea but how do you propose sending out the "invitations".

Regards,
Martin

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Nice idea but how do you propose sending out the "invitations".

Well, we all have relatives/friends/girlfriends, etc :) We can, indeed,
create custom BBS accounts for, lets say, a sister in law, and invite her to one of the telegram supported echoes... That is a nice gateway to heavier
drugs like BBSing hahahaha...

At least, we could bring new people from "the outside". Im trying to make
that two female friends start posting in fidonet, but at least they have
read some echoes...

We need to make it simple for people not touched by nostalgia or textmode aesthetics. Fidonet, and the rest of FTNs, for that matter, are a mistery
for a lot of folks and gals... even telling them about it is something cool
to do. Well, for me, at least.

I think telegram gate is a nice setup for that mission. But we can figure
out much more (thats the entire point of this echo).

Have a nice day!!

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We need to make it simple for people not touched by nostalgia or textmode aesthetics. Fidonet, and the rest of FTNs, for that matter, are a mistery for a lot of folks and gals... even telling them about it is something cool to do. Well, for me, at least.

Yes, precisely.

I think telegram gate is a nice setup for that mission. But we can figure out much more (thats the entire point of this echo).

I've gone the same route, introducing some people to the Telegram group. I'm now working on stage two, to make them points using Aftershock. we'll see how that works out.

JD
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Hello Alejandro Filimonchuk!

** On Wednesday 27.04.22 - 13:38, Alejandro Filimonchuk wrote to Martin Foster:

Nice idea but how do you propose sending out the "invitations".

Well, we all have relatives/friends/girlfriends, etc :) We
can, indeed, create custom BBS accounts for, lets say, a
sister in law, and invite her to one of the telegram
supported echoes... That is a nice gateway to heavier
drugs like BBSing hahahaha...

Precisely. It can be a way to point users to other ways to
experience a BBS directly, especially if they are not impartial
to using a traditional computer.

At least, we could bring new people from "the outside". Im
trying to make that two female friends start posting in
fidonet, but at least they have read some echoes...

Nice!

We need to make it simple for people not touched by
nostalgia or textmode aesthetics. Fidonet, and the rest of
FTNs, for that matter, are a mistery for a lot of folks
and gals... even telling them about it is something cool
to do. Well, for me, at least.

Good going!

I think telegram gate is a nice setup for that mission.
But we can figure out much more (thats the entire point of
this echo).

It's a VERY nice setup. Only two steps required to get
started. Can't get much simpler than that!

However, at this time of writing, the Fido<->Tg path is
intermittent. But the convos on the Tg side can still carry on
for the benefit of the Tg users. ;)

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--- OpenXP 5.0.51
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Hello John!

** On Wednesday 27.04.22 - 12:45, you wrote to Alejandro Filimonchuk:

I think telegram gate is a nice setup for that mission.
But we can figure out much more (thats the entire point
of this echo).

I've gone the same route, introducing some people to the
Telegram group. I'm now working on stage two, to make them
points using Aftershock. we'll see how that works out.

:( Ah.. but they seem to be wallflowers or just readers. :/

--
../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.51
* Origin: (1:396/45.29)

I've gone the same route, introducing some people to the
Telegram group. I'm now working on stage two, to make them
points using Aftershock. we'll see how that works out.

:( Ah.. but they seem to be wallflowers or just readers. :/

It takes time and effort as you know.

JD
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* Origin: Firecat Mobile (4:920/1.1)