Re: bold italic underline - how?
By: Rob Swindell to Paul Quinn on Sat Oct 17 2020 02:33 pm

Re: bold italic underline - how?
By: Paul Quinn to Rob Swindell on Sun Oct 18 2020 06:34 am

Hi! Rob,

On 10/18/2020 06:17 AM, you wrote to Stas Mishchenkov:

Re: bold italic underline - how?
By: Stas Mishchenkov to August Abolins on Thu Oct 15 2020 10:11 pm

STYLECODES <yes/hide/no> (hide)

I'm curious about the history of these "StyleCodes" supported by GoldEd+. Anyone know where/when their original inspiration was? GoldEd and GoldEd+ don't actually support stylized text (just normal CGA color/brightness text attributes), so it seems to me there must have been some other FidoNet software that actually supported bold/italic/underlined text display using those codes first. Anyone know?

I don't know for certain. But I have to say that the point package called SemPoint for Windows had a really nice mode. It used Windows fonts to portray/display the actual styles on characters in FTN messages, in response to the style codes. It called the mode something like 'rich text'.

Thanks for the pointer! I installed sempoint v2.26 (16-bit Windows programs, remember those? That was fun) just so I could read the help text, and indeed, it describes its "rich text" feature as you said. It appears to support bold, italic, underline (and combinations of those) using the same syntax as GoldEd but does not mention the inverse style supported in GoldEd (#this#). Still, appears to be the likely impetus. Thanks again!

The version of Synchronet now in development now has support for message Markup, in the same veign as GoldEd's StyleCodes, with exceptions:
- no combining/nesting of styles
- the parsing rules are not configurable as they are with GoldEd+

It's a sysop "opt-in" feature in sbbs v3.18c (per message area), but I'll likely make it the default for newly created/added sub-boards in the future once the feature is sufficiently tested.

Here's a sample of what it looks like when using SyncTERM and custom fonts: https://1drv.ms/u/s!ApZPvWcrEaRQvOhXPHfQo0mI4N5_jg?e=wjy6qa
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Hi! Rob,

On 11/03/2020 04:49 AM, you wrote:

The version of Synchronet now in development now has support for message Markup, in the same veign as GoldEd's StyleCodes, with exceptions:
- no combining/nesting of styles
- the parsing rules are not configurable as they are with GoldEd+

Thank you. I'll tell August Abolins when I next see him. He was the original enquirer. Thank you.

(But, frankly, I've given up on a solution to the quandary between BBS packages. Your star performance on EwwToob swayed me for a bit but I have set off in a tangential direction, two months back.)

It's a sysop "opt-in" feature in sbbs v3.18c (per message area), but
I'll likely make it the default for newly created/added sub-boards in
the future once the feature is sufficiently tested.

Here's a sample of what it looks like when using SyncTERM and custom fonts:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!ApZPvWcrEaRQvOhXPHfQo0mI4N5_jg?e=wjy6qa

My attention was immediately drawn to the 'underline' sample It's a 60s thing. It looks like a crazy OCR-A lowercase. Groovy.

Cheers,
Paul.

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Re: bold italic underline - how?
By: Paul Quinn to Rob Swindell on Tue Nov 03 2020 08:32 am

Hi! Rob,

On 11/03/2020 04:49 AM, you wrote:

The version of Synchronet now in development now has support for message Markup, in the same veign as GoldEd's StyleCodes, with exceptions:
- no combining/nesting of styles
- the parsing rules are not configurable as they are with GoldEd+

Thank you. I'll tell August Abolins when I next see him. He was the original enquirer. Thank you.

(But, frankly, I've given up on a solution to the quandary between BBS packages. Your star performance on EwwToob swayed me for a bit but I have set off in a tangential direction, two months back.)

Okay, no problem. I think it's a cool feature and it'd nice if more BBS packages and offline readers supported a compatible markup.

It's a sysop "opt-in" feature in sbbs v3.18c (per message area), but I'll likely make it the default for newly created/added sub-boards in the future once the feature is sufficiently tested.

Here's a sample of what it looks like when using SyncTERM and custom fonts:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!ApZPvWcrEaRQvOhXPHfQo0mI4N5_jg?e=wjy6qa

My attention was immediately drawn to the 'underline' sample It's a 60s thing. It looks like a crazy OCR-A lowercase. Groovy.

Yeah, until such time as we have a BBS terminal that actually support italics and underlined text, it's the best I can do. :-)
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Hi! Rob,

On 02 Nov 2020, Rob Swindell said the following...

thing. It looks like a crazy OCR-A lowercase. Groovy.

Yeah, until such time as we have a BBS terminal that actually support italics and underlined text, it's the best I can do. :-)

Further steps will probably require a further integration of Fidonet into the collection of internets.

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hello Rob!

02 Nov 20, Rob Swindell wrote to Paul Quinn:

Okay, no problem. I think it's a cool feature and it'd nice if more
BBS packages and offline readers supported a compatible markup.

What for? I don't _see_ the difference between an underlined and low dash tagged word within ascii universe networks like Fidonet. Basically there is not much need for markups. Look around in typical common media, bold italic and underline markups are used very rarely because there is no significant change of the content - a no is still a no and a _no_ is more no than no - or a dead is more than _dead_ and a _faster_ is still more than fast and much more faster than faster?

The one useful markup for quotes is italic and that function is already covered by the > sign at the beginning of a quoted line.

Regards

Kai

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Hello Paul!

03 Nov 20, Paul Quinn wrote to Rob Swindell:

Further steps will probably require a further integration of Fidonet
into the collection of internets.

?? What steps? That is already done! All you need to do is to upgrade your software and find an access point. You will have full markup support, real bold italic and underline is no problem, you could integrate pictures, audio and video into your postings. Thousands of Boards are waiting for you.

Regards

Kai

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Hi! Kai,

On 04 Nov 20 08:31, you wrote to me:

Further steps will probably require a further integration of
Fidonet into the collection of internets.

?? What steps? That is already done! All you need to do is to upgrade
your software and find an access point. You will have full markup
support, real bold italic and underline is no problem, you could
integrate pictures, audio and video into your postings. Thousands of Boards are waiting for you.

Yes, that is what I intimated. Have you seen the 'telegrams'? It is one example.

My favourite interface is NNTP.

See what I mean(t)?

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hello Paul!

04 Nov 20, Paul Quinn wrote to Kai Richter:

Further steps will probably require a further integration of
Fidonet into the collection of internets.

?? What steps? That is already done! All you need to do is to
upgrade your software and find an access point. You will have
full markup support, real bold italic and underline is no
problem, you could integrate pictures, audio and video into your
postings. Thousands of Boards are waiting for you.

Yes, that is what I intimated. Have you seen the 'telegrams'?

No. I don't understand telegrams in this context. Intimating fails due to translation. Sorry.

My favourite interface is NNTP.

See what I mean(t)?

No. Just update your software to get all new features. Due to age-, support- and licence-reasons it will be impossible to integrate new stuff into mostly all fidonet software. There is a high risk that any new feature will break older existing systems (For example, some multibyte chars will trash my terminal output completely). If you want features like real bold, italic or underlined text, or the possibility to display any language symbol in its original form, want to use pictures, audio or video, or links to other postings, then upgrade to the new protocols.

If you could do internet and fidonet integration, where will be the difference then? It will be a part of the bigger thing and it will lose it's identity.

If you got a working integration then you could use both protocols within one software. But if your software could do HTML5 tagged text why should you change back to ascii if any other software can read HTML5 due to full integration? There is none, the users will be too lazy to switch back to the old standard, never change a running setting. The result would be that the old standard became obsolete completely. That's why an integration of fidonet into internets will be a wasted efford.

And uhh, sorry for offtopic.

Regards

Kai

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Hi! Kai,

On 04 Nov 2020, Kai Richter said the following...

Yes, that is what I intimated. Have you seen the 'telegrams'?

No. I don't understand telegrams in this context. Intimating fails due to translation. Sorry.

An example for just _one_ echo (of many): Asian-Link (IIRC). Look for
traffic by my friend in the Crimea (initiator of 'telegrams' use) and August Abolins. Telegram traffic is between Fidonet anything and (currently)
SMS-like texting on Android mobiles & tablets.

KR> And uhh, sorry for offtopic. KR>

Yes, there is that too. :)

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hello Kai!

*** Wednesday 04.11.20 at 17:28, Kai Richter wrote to Paul Quinn:

Further steps will probably require a further integration of
Fidonet into the collection of internets.

?? What steps? That is already done! All you need to do is to
upgrade your software and find an access point. You will have
full markup support, real bold italic and underline is no
problem, you could integrate pictures, audio and video into your
postings. Thousands of Boards are waiting for you.

Yes, that is what I intimated. Have you seen the 'telegrams'?

No. I don't understand telegrams in this context.

I think he was referring to the Telegram Messenger -> <- Fidonet gateway.

Regards,
Martin

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Hi! Martin,

On 05 Nov 2020, Martin Foster said the following...

Yes, that is what I intimated. Have you seen the 'telegrams'?

No. I don't understand telegrams in this context.

I think he was referring to the Telegram Messenger -> <- Fidonet gateway.

Yes. Extrapolate the logic by excising the gateway and you get an Android Fidonet. Sounds like fun, I'm sure.

I like a technical evolution like anyone but it needs a limit or an horizon of sorts. At the momemt, telegraphing looks great but I worry at where it will end. (I was 'chanelling' an imaginary person of the 1870s? thinking similar
of the original telegraphy.) I like my GoldEd (& NNTP), oh and BBSs. :)

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hello, Paul Quinn -> Martin Foster.
On 11/5/20 6:54 AM you wrote:

Hi! Martin, On 05 Nov 2020, Martin Foster said the following... MF>

Yes, that is what I intimated. Have you seen the 'telegrams'?

No. I don't understand telegrams in this context. MF> I

think he was referring to the Telegram Messenger -> <- Fidonet
gateway. Yes. Extrapolate the logic by excising the gateway and you
get an Android Fidonet. Sounds like fun, I'm sure.

It is another potential way to access at least some of Fidonet when you
are away from your main computer or however you access it.

I like a technical evolution like anyone but it needs a limit or an
horizon of sorts. At the momemt, telegraphing looks great but I
worry at where it will end. (I was 'chanelling' an imaginary person
of the 1870s? thinking similar of the original telegraphy.) I like
my GoldEd (& NNTP), oh and BBSs. :)

As far as I've seen, it's not going anywhere more than how it currently operates. Much the same as a node or point does.

I prefer the points or BBSs as well, but unfortunately, for the time
being, Point software for Android is limited.

Now, if some better point software like GoldEd was available for Android
......

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