Yep. I'll admit it. I once bought a single by Tommy Roe.
'Hooray for Hazel'. In fact, I still have kind of a nostlagic
soft spot for that song. ;-)

Hey, I like that one too, as well as "Sweet Pea". I love the organ sound in the one. Jangly guitars and Farfisa organs... can't beat it!

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Gary Gilmore wrote in a message to Martin Ridgley:

Hey, I like that one too, as well as "Sweet Pea". I love the organ
sound in the one. Jangly guitars and Farfisa organs... can't beat
it!

I thought the coolist organs were the Vox Continentals. Just couldn't beat having the black and white keys reversed. I'd like to have one.

Bill

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were those the vox continentals, or Panthers ? used to play one thru
my univox tremolo 1x12 amp....I have to admit..the reverse key arrangment got confusing back then. I prefered those to the Farfisa
candy store designs..with the pastel color keys...that looked like they wre edible...w/o a leslie.......didn't like any of them

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Bill Riley wrote in a message to Gary Gilmore:

I thought the coolist organs were the Vox Continentals. Just
couldn't beat having the black and white keys reversed. I'd like
to have one.

I dont think I have ever seen one of those before.....interesting.

Tom

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Steve Kaplan wrote in a message to Bill Riley:

were those the vox continentals, or Panthers ? used to play one
thru my univox tremolo 1x12 amp....I have to admit..the reverse key arrangment got confusing back then. I prefered those to the
Farfisa
candy store designs..with the pastel color keys...that looked like
they wre edible...w/o a leslie.......didn't like any of them

I don't recall having ever seen a Panther, but yeah, the Continentals were that
way. A guy in a high school band I played in had one. All that red plastic and chrome. Too cool dude.

Bill

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Tom Engle wrote in a message to Bill Riley:

Bill Riley wrote in a message to Gary Gilmore:

I thought the coolist organs were the Vox Continentals. Just
couldn't beat having the black and white keys reversed. I'd like
to have one.

I dont think I have ever seen one of those before.....interesting.

Most of the bands in the '60's used either a Vox or a Farfisa organ. They sounded about the same but I thought the Vox looked way cooler. And having the
cool stuff was much more important then than how you sounded.


Bill

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I thought the coolist organs were the Vox Continentals.

Ooh, yeah! I liked those too. A friend had one, and I was an idiot for not buying it from him when he was hard up for money. <sigh>

Just couldn't beat having the black and white keys
reversed.

That looked really cool, IMHO.

I'd like to have one.

Same here!

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Gary Gilmore wrote to Martin Ridgley <=-

Yep. I'll admit it. I once bought a single by Tommy Roe.
'Hooray for Hazel'. In fact, I still have kind of a nostlagic
soft spot for that song. ;-)

Hey, I like that one too, as well as "Sweet Pea". I love
the organ sound in the one. Jangly guitars and Farfisa
organs... can't beat it!

Whoa! I didn't think *anyone* would remember 'Hazel'! ;-)

Yeah, jangly guitars almost always work for me. The Farfisa went
out of fashion in the seventies, but in the early eighties I played
in a sort of 'new-wave' band with a guy who had one. It was great to
hear it again and it fit in with the sound of the times very well.
I offered to buy it off him, but I guess I didn't offer enough... ;-\

Martin
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Whoa! I didn't think *anyone* would remember 'Hazel'! ;-)

Sure do. I'm older than I look. (And I'm older than I really am, musically.)

Roe's first hit was "Sheila" in 1962, then in '66 he hit with both "Sweet Pea" and "Hooray for Hazel", then in '69 he had hits with "Dizzy" (probably his biggest hit), and "Jam Up Jelly Tight". When I toured with Mitch Ryder, we did
a gig at a ballroom in Minnesota (Where almost everyone played at one time or another... you should have seen the photos in the lobby!) and Tommy Roe was opening for us. We got to talking, and he was a pretty nice guy. He plays guitar (save!), but isn't a real "guitar powerhouse". That's ok... I can't help but like his songs.

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Gary Gilmore wrote in a message to Bill Riley:

I thought the coolist organs were the Vox Continentals.

Ooh, yeah! I liked those too. A friend had one, and I was an
idiot for not buying it from him when he was hard up for money.
<sigh>

If we had to take a beating for all the cool equipment we've turned down over the years, I'd be nothing but a bloody pulp. Such as not buying a flametop LP back in '63 when I was learning to play because it was an "old man's" guitar and nobody cool was playing one. Sigh....

Bill

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hehe.....we're discgussing the Vox organs...farfisa's and in the background I'm
listening to Donovans, "Wear your love like Heaven"...ROFLAO.. Funny, there are
times I di feel like I'm in my mid-40's. btw...You may not remember an organ named "Doric"..(no, not Dork)..Had one of those in the 60's along with a vinyl leslie...combo type..forget that model..THe Doric was one of those italian brands that were made bacl than

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"hip 60's"
The Farfisa duo-compact, with upper and lower keys and some pedals was "the cats"...that, prtable leslie, rhodes satellite, and mini moog. or even sequential circuits prophecy synth...were what the ritzy kids had. Didn't matter if they could play keyboards...altho that was certainly an added bonus...Bet you don't remember the tube wurlitzer piano's..predecessors ro the EP-200's which now get BIG bucks..lot's more than a 200 lb rhodes..setup..have you seen what the arp odyssey's and moogs are getting in todays market.....analogue be where it at deWD
:)

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Gary,
Check the Inet for WWW.UGBM.com
Last a saw, two days ago, there was a Vox continental for sale. Wasn't cheap, but you'll have a cool retro cheap sounding organ added to your arsenal :) I think it was in the vacinity of 300-400, and in excellent condition. Fortuneatly, it will cost less than a rhodes, hammond, or yamaha CP-30 piano to
ship :) I was thinking of making Daddy's Junky music, chain that owns Used gear by Mail....or UGBM an offer on the vox...then I realized, already have the
B-3, how cool can one person be ?

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Martin, lift up the convertable top of a farfisa organ, and look at the vastness of all of it's wiring..and circuitry :(..I'd be afraid to own something that jam-packed with difficult repairs Now-a-days..Gary could probably manage to fix it if it broke..but folk like myself would get charged BIG bucks, by the already expensive key techs

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"beating for equipment that we got rid of" Well...I'm just starting my collection for the year 2030 :)...make up for the loses :)

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Steve Kaplan wrote in a message to Bill Riley:

hehe.....we're discgussing the Vox organs...farfisa's and in the background I'm listening to Donovans, "Wear your love like Heaven"...ROFLAO.. Funny, there are times I di feel like I'm in my mid-40's. btw...You may not remember an organ named "Doric"..(no,
not Dork)..Had one of those in the 60's along with a vinyl
leslie...combo type..forget that model..THe Doric was one of those
italian brands that were made bacl than

Don't recall that one, there was a long time that I was out of the preforming end of music and I wasn't around any keyboard players. But I sure remember the
old Farfisa's.

Bill

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Steve Kaplan wrote in a message to Bill Riley:

"hip 60's"
The Farfisa duo-compact, with upper and lower keys and some pedals
was "the cats"...that, prtable leslie, rhodes satellite, and mini
moog. or even sequential circuits prophecy synth...were what the
ritzy kids had. Didn't matter if they could play keyboards...altho
that was certainly an added bonus...Bet you don't remember the tube wurlitzer piano's..predecessors ro the EP-200's which now get BIG bucks..lot's more than a 200 lb rhodes..setup..have you seen what
the arp odyssey's and moogs are getting in todays
market.....analogue be where it at deWD

No I don't don't. I recall the Vox's, Farfisa's and the old Fender Rhodes. John now has a B-3 with a Leslie and there is no way I'm packing it around. I helped carry it in and that's enough for me. 500lbs consoles should be handled
only by roadhogs, IMHO.

Bill

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Steve Kaplan wrote in a message to Gary Gilmore:

Gary,
Check the Inet for WWW.UGBM.com
Last a saw, two days ago, there was a Vox continental for sale.
Wasn't cheap, but you'll have a cool retro cheap sounding organ
added to your arsenal :) I think it was in the vacinity of
300-400, and in excellent condition. Fortuneatly, it will cost less

Not bad, considering they went for about a $1000 new, and that was a lot of money back in the mid '60's.

Bill

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Steve Kaplan wrote in a message to Bill Riley:

"beating for equipment that we got rid of" Well...I'm just starting
my collection for the year 2030 :)...make up for the loses :)

I'll never sell any of mine, I keep threatening to but it never goes, more comes in. I'll die and some damn shit-tail relative will sell it an make a fortune.

Bill

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"lugging the B-3"
They're brutal, and personally I see no reason to haul a B-3. Looks cool....yes, outsdie of that it's rediculous..Have you heard how nice the digital Roland, Oberheim, and Korg organ samples are ? They really do those in optimal conditions...great sounds....The B's..OK..you lug the cows. and then once setup....you need to place the speakers in such away to maximize sound in that particular room...yadda yadda..then something breaks..not cheap or easy repair

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Gary,
The vox's went for a gand in the mid 60's ? WOW..never remember them being that expensive. I know the Farfisa's, and mini moogs, as well as the ARP synths//went for over a grand..but never the combo organs with only one manual from the 60's

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"shit-tail relatie will sell it and make a fortune" I'd rather they do that, then put the LesPaul in the front yard next to the toaster oven and blender, with a tag that say's "make an offer"

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Steve Kaplan wrote in a message to Bill Riley:

"lugging the B-3"
They're brutal, and personally I see no reason to haul a B-3. Looks cool....yes, outsdie of that it's rediculous..Have you heard how
nice the digital Roland, Oberheim, and Korg organ samples are ?
They really do those in optimal conditions...great sounds....The B's..OK..you lug the cows. and then once setup....you need to place
the speakers in such away to maximize sound in that particular room...yadda yadda..then something breaks..not cheap or easy repair

I keep hearing people say the synths sound just like a B-3. Bull hockey. Just
went to a show where the keyboard player had a B-3 and a big 'ol leslie. No way does any synth I've ever heard sound like that. Oh they do a fair job and I would much rather use one than ever lug a B-3 to a gig. But sound like one---no freaking way.

Bill

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Steve Kaplan wrote in a message to Bill Riley:

Gary,
The vox's went for a gand in the mid 60's ? WOW..never remember
them being that expensive. I know the Farfisa's, and mini moogs,
as well as the ARP synths//went for over a grand..but never the
combo organs with only one manual from the 60's

I was a little suprised myself, not being a keyboard player I never looked at their prices back then. I was just going by the information I found on a Vox website. Of course, there is no way to tell how accurate the information was there.

Bill

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Steve Kaplan wrote in a message to Bill Riley:

"shit-tail relatie will sell it and make a fortune" I'd rather they
do that, then put the LesPaul in the front yard next to the toaster
oven and blender, with a tag that say's "make an offer"

It's not that, I'm just a pack rat. Once I have it I don't want to let go of it.

Bill

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"but sound like one...no freakin way" I would go as far to say that the Korg BX, and B patches sound VERY much like the B-3....perhaps you may not match the
Doppler effects of the leslies rotory speakers, buy they come..and can be set up to emulate the B.M and C series....REALLY closely...I've done head-to-heads..now my B-3 of course is not "optimally" set-up either tho...(so maybe you're correct))

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Bill and others,
I did find a 1978 price sheet(s) for Arp,Moog, Farfisa,EV, Lansing gear...when I'm off this little laptop, and my somewhat regualr system if up, I'll scan it to you.....btw......Mellotrons are, have been back in production..in Cali. Still making the Pinder model. you know..with my limited knowledge...I still find those samples to be EXACT...how do the mellotrons compare to advanced digital samps ? Gilmore, you there
:) Seems to me that the analogue mellotron is as close as one can replicate..is it not ??

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I did find a 1978 price sheet(s) for Arp,Moog,
Farfisa,EV, Lansing gear...when
I'm off this little laptop, and my somewhat
regualr system if up, I'll scan it
to you.....btw......Mellotrons are, have been back
in production..in Cali.
Still making the Pinder model. you know..with my
limited knowledge...I still
find those samples to be EXACT...how do the
mellotrons compare to advanced
digital samps ? Gilmore, you there
:) Seems to me that the analogue mellotron is

as close as one can

replicate..is it not ??

Mellotrons differ from a digital sample because
they use tape loops, which sound warmer in
general, but are prone to wear and tear and are
much more expensive. You are also stuck with only
using the mellotron sound on a mellotron, and you
can't edit the sample, mix with other samples on a
digital mixer, and so on, unless you record the
mellotron sound onto another medium.

Now how about a digital sample of a mellotron...

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"BRETT MCCOY" wrote to "STEVE KAPLAN" (16 Oct 00 05:11:30)
--- on the topic of "Tommy Roe"

:) Seems to me that the analogue mellotron is

as close as one can

replicate..is it not ??

Mellotrons differ from a digital sample because
they use tape loops, which sound warmer in
general, but are prone to wear and tear and are
much more expensive. You are also stuck with only
using the mellotron sound on a mellotron, and you
can't edit the sample, mix with other samples on a
digital mixer, and so on, unless you record the
mellotron sound onto another medium.

Now how about a digital sample of a mellotron...

The mellotron was the original sampler, except I think the tape played backwards and very fast. Just what was recorded on the tapes is what I
always wanted to know. I still remember seeing the nylon tape guide
channels hanging in neat vertical columns in the back. String
synthesizers quickly replaced the mellotron but it has an unmistakable
sound. Moody Blues (Days of Future Past), Rolling Stones (2000 Light
Years From Home), Gentle Giant, etc. etc... Real cool tone!

... Bring back the dobro to rock n roll!
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Now how about a digital sample of a mellotron...

The mellotron was the original sampler, except I think the tape played backwards and very fast. Just what was recorded on the tapes is what I
always wanted to know. I still remember seeing the nylon tape guide
channels hanging in neat vertical columns in the back. String
synthesizers quickly replaced the mellotron but it has an unmistakable
sound. Moody Blues (Days of Future Past), Rolling Stones (2000 Light
Years From Home), Gentle Giant, etc. etc... Real cool tone!

I think it was Robert Fripp of King Crimson who got the slick idea of
putting other sounds onto
the Mellotron besides violin sounds, i.e., Frippertronics.

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"BRETT MCCOY" wrote to "MIKE ROSS" (17 Oct 00 04:38:38)
--- on the topic of "Tommy Roe"

I think it was Robert Fripp of King Crimson who got the slick idea of putting other sounds onto
the Mellotron besides violin sounds, i.e., Frippertronics.

I thought that was for his guitar, by hanging a long loop of tape
between 2 tape decks each recording s.o.s. over the other. I didn't know
it was in the mellotron... Neat!

... The music's kinda nice. My compliments to the clef.
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"BRETT MCCOY" wrote to "MIKE ROSS" (17 Oct 00 04:38:38)
--- on the topic of "Tommy Roe"

I think it was Robert Fripp of King Crimson who got the slick idea of putting other sounds onto
the Mellotron besides violin sounds, i.e., Frippertronics.

I thought that was for his guitar, by hanging a long loop of tape
between 2 tape decks each recording s.o.s. over the other. I didn't know
it was in the mellotron... Neat!

It may have been, but I thought I remember reading about him doing stuff on
the mellotron also.

And then there was Laurie Anderson who rigged up an electric violin with a
tape head in the
pickup, and put a strip of recording on the bow and played it that way...

-- Brett

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"digital sample of a mellotron"..
Like a picture of a picture of a painting :)

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Real cool tone
THe mellotron, (at least to me) is as close as the real thing, as I've ever heard..sorry..as close TO the real thing :) Yup pinder did some amzing stuff on
a mellotron......next best thing to the London symphany orch... yet the "warmth" of the mellotron is what makes the orchestral sounds so convincing

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hey brett, that's two blasts from the past for me in this Fido viewing.. 1) zigzag
2) Frippertronics
peachy keen memory's :)

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BRETT MCCOY wrote in a message to MIKE ROSS:

I think it was Robert Fripp of King Crimson who got the slick idea
of putting other sounds onto
the Mellotron besides violin sounds, i.e., Frippertronics.

Is the Mellotron a keyboard instrument? Also, is it related to the Theron (sp?)
that they used to do weird sounds like in the movie "The Day The Earth Stood Still"?


Stephen

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Is the Mellotron a keyboard instrument?

Yes. Pressing a key plays a tape loop.

Also, is it related to the Theron

I think you mean "Theramin". No, completely different. The Theramin works off
a feedback principal. The closer to it's antenna you are, the more the frequency changes. It's probably the only musical instrument that you don't have to touch to play it.

It's main use has been for "spooky music" for horror films, though there are actual pieces composed strictly for it, and the inventor's friend used to travel around the country giving Theramin concerts. (The inventor was Russian.) If you've ever watched "The Day The Earth Stood Still", you've heard
a Theramin, since it's all over that movie, espcially in the scene where Particia Neal is talking to Gort the robot. ("Gort! Klatu berrada nickto!")

There's a pretty complete site about the Theramin located here:

http://mdcm.arts.unsw.edu.au/Students98/BawdenH/innovate/index.html

The Mellotron can be found on these sites:

http://www.mellotron.com/ A company which even has a NEW (yes, new) model out.

Then there's Streetly Electronics who claim to be "the original Mellotron makers" located here:

http://www.vemia.co.uk/mellotron/

Have fun!

--gary

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Gary Gilmore wrote in a message to Stephen Jones:

I think you mean "Theramin". No, completely different. The
Theramin works off a feedback principal. The closer to it's
antenna you are, the more the frequency changes. It's probably the
only musical instrument that you don't have to touch to play it.

I knew the name sounded like a food supplement. ;=) I've heard thet weird sound
used in "Outer Limits", too.


Stephen

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David Cumming wrote in a message to Stephen Jones:

years ago untangling the tapes from one of these beasts that the
BBC in Glasgow, Scotland, used to use for producing sound effects
for radio productions. Once in a while it would get the tapes
crossed and the results had to be seen to be believed.

It sounds like a precursor to the sound samplers.

recorded on this device were doors shutting, train whistles, dogs
barking etc. Lots of different effects that were used in radio
plays.

I assume this was before casettes? I remember running sound for a high school kiddie show and tapping the sounds in sequence on a reel to reel with the sound
cues listed by counter number. I think this was in the late 60's. I think I still have my old sony portable reel2reel. 8-}


Stephen

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On 25 Oct 00 11:09:08 Stephen Jones and BRETT MCCOY were talking about
<Tommy Roe>

BRETT MCCOY wrote in a message to MIKE ROSS:

I think it was Robert Fripp of King Crimson who got the slick idea
of putting other sounds onto
the Mellotron besides violin sounds, i.e., Frippertronics.

Is the Mellotron a keyboard instrument? Also, is it related to the
Theron (sp?) that they used to do weird sounds like in the movie "The
Day The Earth Stood Still"?


Stephen

The Mellotron was a bastard son of the union between a piano and a tape recorder. When you pressed down a key it caused an internal rotor to cause a length of magnetic tape to pass a replay head. There was a length of tape associated with each key and different groups of sounds could be recorded at different positions along the lengths of tape. I seem to remember that switching 'banks' involved the device winding through the tapes to find the required sections.
I doubt it was Robert Fripp that thought of recording other sounds on these devices. I remember spending six hours or so nearly thirty years ago untangling
the tapes from one of these beasts that the BBC in Glasgow, Scotland, used to use for producing sound effects for radio productions. Once in a while it would
get the tapes crossed and the results had to be seen to be believed.

I remember that I sorted it by laying each and every tape out in long lengths on the floor of a sound studio and rewinding them all onto the rotor. I also seem to recall that the Melotron was thought of as pretty old technology even in those days. The sorts of sounds recorded on this device were doors shutting,
train whistles, dogs barking etc. Lots of different effects that were used in radio plays.

Regards,

David Cumming

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