In a message on 06-11-18 Sean Dennis said to Robert Wolfe:

Hi Sean,

I think there is a port of VirtualBox for OS/2 now, or at least it is being worked on.

I've heard rumors of people getting W10 to run under VPC/2 but I
can't substantiate that.

Why this talk about Virtual OS/2?

When you install OS/2 you get a very nice BootManager that lets you
decide which operating system to use, OS/2, Windows or old PCDOS and
even Linux.

Installing Windows on that machine disables the BM but you only have to
restart the OS/2 FDISK to get it back. Probably the same procedure is
valid for other additional operating systems.


73 de Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger


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Hello Holger,

12 Jun 18 09:07 at you wrote to me:

Why this talk about Virtual OS/2?

Because OS/2 won't install on a 6TB SAS disk correctly.

Also because OS/2 has a serious issue installing on modern hardware.

So OS/2 suits itself to being run under a VM nicely if the VM can handle OS/2's usage of esoteric API calls when it boots up.

Later,
Sean

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On 2018 Jun 12 09:07:00, you wrote to Sean Dennis:

I think there is a port of VirtualBox for OS/2 now, or at least it is
being worked on.

I've heard rumors of people getting W10 to run under VPC/2 but I
can't substantiate that.

Why this talk about Virtual OS/2?

because sometimes you have to run OS/2 on hardware that is too new...

because sometimes you have to reduce your hardware count and still need to run OS/2...

because sometimes you cannot be playing games rebooting and switching OSes all the time...



i tried bootmanager one time and the only thing i found it good for was being able to boot to a maint install... that was also easily done with floppy... when my system was reinstalled, bootmanager was simply left off as unnecessary and undesirable...


)\/(ark

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On 2018 Jun 13 10:10:20, you wrote to Holger Granholm:

So OS/2 suits itself to being run under a VM nicely if the VM can
handle OS/2's usage of esoteric API calls when it boots up.

do you know if it can be run on a QEMU-KVM VM?



i might have just popped on a way to move my system from hardware to VM if it will run under QEMU-KVM... i have been rsyncing it to my main linux system... if i install OS/2 into a QEMU-KVM VM and get my rsync also installed, then i should be able to simply rsync everything out of the backup and reboot and be off to the races... it all depends on if i can get it installed in a VM... no clue how to do that using the HOST's floppy drive and/or CD... maybe making images and tying them into the VM is the way to go??

)\/(ark

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Hello mark,

13 Jun 18 12:50 at you wrote to me:

do you know if it can be run on a QEMU-KVM VM?

I have never tried, to be honest.

i might have just popped on a way to move my system from hardware to
VM if it will run under QEMU-KVM... i have been rsyncing it to my main linux system... if i install OS/2 into a QEMU-KVM VM and get my rsync
also installed, then i should be able to simply rsync everything out
of the backup and reboot and be off to the races... it all depends on
if i can get it installed in a VM... no clue how to do that using the HOST's floppy drive and/or CD... maybe making images and tying them
into the VM is the way to go??

What I normally do is I use Warp 4.52 (bootable CD) and mount it into the blank VM's CD drive. Usually it works just fine.

I have done it with Virtualbox and VMWare but I have never tried QEMU.

Later,
Sean

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On 2018 Jun 13 18:00:50, you wrote to me:

What I normally do is I use Warp 4.52 (bootable CD) and mount it into
the blank VM's CD drive. Usually it works just fine.

i did that and had to dance around a bit to figure out how to allocate some drive space in that damned LVM thing... once i got that going on a 2Gig volumn the format and install went pretty fast... then there was another dance where i
have to make the CD not a boot option or remove the linked install iso... finally the OS booted and then is taking forever for the install program to finish the rest of its install tasks... the grey install window finally went away after 5 minutes or so and nothing else has popped up yet... the virtual CPU is maxed at 100%... it thinks it is an Opteron_G5 like all the other VMs...
that's also what's selected when i tell the VM manager to copy the host system's CPU information... i have 1Gig of RAM allocated...

i have to go back and try doing it all again with a 40Gig virtual HD and see if
i can get through the LVM thing again... that's a tricky bugger...

)\/(ark

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In a message on 06-13-18 Sean Dennis said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Sean,

Why this talk about Virtual OS/2?

Because OS/2 won't install on a 6TB SAS disk correctly.

Who needs a 6 TB disk?
Probably your BBS may use such capacity, but not normal humans.

Also because OS/2 has a serious issue installing on modern hardware.

You don't have to tell me that. Only single core CPU's and small
partitions are accepted at install.

So OS/2 suits itself to being run under a VM nicely if the VM can
handle OS/2's usage of esoteric API calls when it boots up.

I have been told that the new versions such as Arca-OS and eComOS can be installed on modern machines.


73 de Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger


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In a message on 06-13-18 mark lewis said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Mark,

Why this talk about Virtual OS/2?

because sometimes you have to run OS/2 on hardware that is too
new...

My impression is ,and it has been confirmed, that eCom and Arca-OS can
be installed/run on modern hardware.

because sometimes you have to reduce your hardware count and still
need to run OS/2...

Yes I know. This machine only runs OS/2 but I have two machines running
Windows 10pro that could be running OS/2 if I install that first and
then Windows, running the OS/2 FDISK to reactivate the BootManager.

because sometimes you cannot be playing games rebooting and
switching OSes all the time...

I don't have time nor the inclination to run games.

i tried bootmanager one time and the only thing i found it good for
was being able to boot to a maint install...

This machine always starts up with the BM but if I don't decide to boot
to another operating system within xx seconds it autoboots to OS/2.


Have a nice day,

Holger


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Hello Holger,

14 Jun 18 11:27 at you wrote to me:

Who needs a 6 TB disk?
Probably your BBS may use such capacity, but not normal humans.

Those of us who like to use modern hardware. You'd be surprised at how quickly you can fill up disks when you're a file hub.

You don't have to tell me that. Only single core CPU's and small partitions are accepted at install.

If you're talking OS/2 yes. eCS and ArcaOS, not so much. They can handle SMP and regular partitions for the most part.

I have been told that the new versions such as Arca-OS and eComOS can
be installed on modern machines.

There's a limit to how modern, however. That's why I moved my BBS to Linux.

Something fun: someone has written a 16-bit OS/2 shell for Linux. :)

Later,
Sean

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Hello mark,

14 Jun 18 15:38 at you wrote to me:

i did that and had to dance around a bit to figure out how to allocate some drive space in that damned LVM thing... once i got that going on

I had no problems at all...it was just like running real hardware...that's really strange!

Later,
Sean

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On 2018 Jun 14 11:27:00, you wrote to me:

because sometimes you cannot be playing games rebooting and switching
OSes all the time...

I don't have time nor the inclination to run games.

i wasn't speaking of games like solitare or minecraft... i was sppeaking of playing games by rebooting to go from one OS to another...

i tried bootmanager one time and the only thing i found it good for
was being able to boot to a maint install...

This machine always starts up with the BM but if I don't decide to
boot to another operating system within xx seconds it autoboots to
OS/2.

i was poking at dual-booting with a sharp stick again ;)

)\/(ark

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On 2018 Jun 15 13:55:26, you wrote to me:

i did that and had to dance around a bit to figure out how to
allocate some drive space in that damned LVM thing... once i got that
going on

I had no problems at all...it was just like running real
hardware...that's really strange!

i wonder what CPU and other hardware were being presented to OS/2... it may also be that i should try running it in the QEMU domain instead of the KVM domain... i use KVM for everything else but this is the first i've ever tried OS/2...

)\/(ark

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In a message on 06-15-18 Sean Dennis said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Sean,

Those of us who like to use modern hardware. You'd be surprised at
how quickly you can fill up disks when you're a file hub.

Yes I know and with your wellstocked file department I understand that.

My system has more or less become a bulletin board as the BBS states.
I distribute ANS, ARRL, SRAL and SSA bulletins to scandinavian hams.

I have been told that the new versions such as Arca-OS and eComOS can
be installed on modern machines.

There's a limit to how modern, however. That's why I moved my BBS
to Linux.

Well, I'm not interested in the latest hardware because OS/2 runs very
nicely on semi-old machines. I do however want to install OS/2 on a
laptop with dual core processor and maybe also on a stationary PC.

I would also like to try OS/2 on a VM under Win10 but that's not so
important because of the blue-screen presented to users because of
programming errors done by M$.

Something fun: someone has written a 16-bit OS/2 shell for Linux. :)

I find no need for a 16-bit system. I don't even have so old hardware,
except the museum pieces Sinclair ZX-81 and a Triumph-Adler CP/M machine


CU AGN, Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger


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-- MR/2 2.30


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In a message on 06-16-18 mark lewis said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Mark,

i wasn't speaking of games like solitare or minecraft... i was
sppeaking of playing games by rebooting to go from one OS to
another...

Maybe that can be called a game too. ;o)
Speaking of Solitaire, that is the only game I allowed Windows10 to
install two years ago. So far, I haven't played that on those machines.

This machine always starts up with the BM but if I don't decide to
boot to another operating system within xx seconds it autoboots to
OS/2.

i was poking at dual-booting with a sharp stick again ;)

To each his own, I like it <BG>.


Have a nice day,

Holger


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On 2018 Jun 17 09:30:00, you wrote to me:

i wasn't speaking of games like solitare or minecraft... i was
sppeaking of playing games by rebooting to go from one OS to
another...

Maybe that can be called a game too. ;o)

yep!

Speaking of Solitaire, that is the only game I allowed Windows10 to install two years ago. So far, I haven't played that on those
machines.

the new solitare is ok... it is slightly better than previous ones...

This machine always starts up with the BM but if I don't decide to
boot to another operating system within xx seconds it autoboots to
OS/2.

i was poking at dual-booting with a sharp stick again ;)

To each his own, I like it <BG>.

the main reason i don't like it (dual booting) is because that other OS is not busy doing something worth while... if i have to have two or more OSes installed, they're all going to be running and performing worth while tasks... at one time there were over 12 physical machines all running in this server room... today, most of them are running in virtual machines... i cannot say that the quantity of power used has dropped, though... the systems strong enough to run multiple virtual machines all require larger power supplies (500+W) that those being replaced (250W to 350W)...

)\/(ark

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In a message on 06-18-18 mark lewis said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Mark,

Speaking of Solitaire, that is the only game I allowed Windows10 to install two years ago. So far, I haven't played that on those

the new solitare is ok... it is slightly better than previous ones...

I have still to discover that <BG>.

i was poking at dual-booting with a sharp stick again ;)

the main reason i don't like it (dual booting) is because that other
OS is not busy doing something worth while... if i have to have two
or more OSes installed, they're all going to be running and

At the moment I have two OS/2 machines with old Windows accesible and
two (one laptop) running Windows 10pro. I just decide which one to use.

most of them are running in virtual machines... i cannot say that the

I will one day try the new OS/2 version in a virtual environment on the stationary Windows machine but I will never run a BBS under any version
of Windows.

If I can get the software I want/need for the new OS I may again go for full-time OS/2 (ArcaOS). I really look forward to install ArcaOS on a
Lenovo laptop that refuses to accept installation of Warp 4.

The Windows 10pro laptop was thrown at me and is quite usable so I
bought a stationary machine with Win7 and upgraded it to Win10 while the upgrade was still free.


Have a nice day,

Holger


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Hello Holger,

16 Jun 18 09:41 at you wrote to me:

I find no need for a 16-bit system. I don't even have so old hardware, except the museum pieces Sinclair ZX-81 and a Triumph-Adler CP/M
machine

You do realize that OS/2's stock command shell is 16-bit and not 32-bit, right? Unless you're running JdeBP's 32-bit shell, you're running 16-bit. I don't know of eCS or ArcaOS have changed that to a 32-bit shell or not but if you're running the original IBM OS/2, the original shell is 16-bit...

Later,
Sean

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In a message on 06-20-18 Sean Dennis said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Sean,

You do realize that OS/2's stock command shell is 16-bit and not
32-bit, right?

Yes and as long as it runs on a 32-bit system, I'm happy, HI.


CU AGN, Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger


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Holger Granholm wrote in a message to Sean Dennis:

In a message on 06-11-18 Sean Dennis said to Robert Wolfe:

Hi Sean,

I think there is a port of VirtualBox for OS/2 now, or at least it is
being worked on.

I've heard rumors of people getting W10 to run under VPC/2 but I
can't substantiate that.

Why this talk about Virtual OS/2?

When you install OS/2 you get a very nice BootManager that lets you
decide which operating system to use, OS/2, Windows or old PCDOS
and even Linux.

Yeah, but for some, the method you are talking about may not be an option, as is the case with me. Some of us like to be able to use Windows and OS/2 (or ArcaOS as is my case) at the same time without having to flip-flop back and forth between OSes by rebooting. To me, what it boils down to is a matter of convenience, and, sometimes, necessity.

Peace,
Robert

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In a message on 06-22-18 Robert Wolfe said to Holger Granholm:

Hello Robert,

When you install OS/2 you get a very nice BootManager that lets you
decide which operating system to use, OS/2, Windows or old PCDOS
and even Linux.

Yeah, but for some, the method you are talking about may not be an
option, as is the case with me. Some of us like to be able to use
Windows and OS/2 (or ArcaOS as is my case) at the same time without
having to flip-flop back and forth between OSes by rebooting. To
me, what it boils down to is a matter of convenience, and,
sometimes, necessity.

Thank you for your opinion, I can see the point.
As long as I can do what I need to in OS/2, I'm happy to use only that.

BTW, is the BootManager still with ArcaOS?


Have a nice day,

Holger


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-- MR/2 2.30

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Holger Granholm wrote in a message to Sean Dennis:

Because OS/2 won't install on a 6TB SAS disk correctly.

Who needs a 6 TB disk?
Probably your BBS may use such capacity, but not normal humans.

Actually, I use multiple _8TB_ disks daily here at home, but not for BBS use. So, what is a "normal" human by definition?

Also because OS/2 has a serious issue installing on modern hardware.

You don't have to tell me that. Only single core CPU's and small partitions are accepted at install.

From my experiences, that is not the case with eCS and ArcaOS.

So OS/2 suits itself to being run under a VM nicely if the VM can
handle OS/2's usage of esoteric API calls when it boots up.

I have been told that the new versions such as Arca-OS and eComOS
can be installed on modern machines.

True, but with varying degrees of success, but it's still best to run both under a VM if you need your main OS to be Windows or Linux based.

Peace,
Robert

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Holger Granholm wrote in a message to Robert Wolfe:

Yeah, but for some, the method you are talking about may not be an
option, as is the case with me. Some of us like to be able to use
Windows and OS/2 (or ArcaOS as is my case) at the same time without
having to flip-flop back and forth between OSes by rebooting. To
me, what it boils down to is a matter of convenience, and,
sometimes, necessity.

Thank you for your opinion, I can see the point.
As long as I can do what I need to in OS/2, I'm happy to use only
that.

And that's what it boils down to -- using the tool that is right for the job.

BTW, is the BootManager still with ArcaOS?

I don't know. I heve never had to use that. :)

Peace,
Robert

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In a message on 07-28-18 Robert Wolfe said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Robert,

Actually, I use multiple _8TB_ disks daily here at home, but not for
BBS use. So, what is a "normal" human by definition?

That is of course an individual definition.

I am running a BBS under old Warp 4 on one machine and have Win 10pro
installed on a laptop as well as on a stationary PC.

My use of Windows is quite limited to the extent that it feels awkward.

You don't have to tell me that. Only single core CPU's and small partitions are accepted at install.

From my experiences, that is not the case with eCS and ArcaOS.

Oh no of course not. I was referring tomy many tries to implement OS/2
on newer machinery than the above mentioned.

I have been told that the new versions such as Arca-OS and eComOS
can be installed on modern machines.

True, but with varying degrees of success, but it's still best to
run both under a VM if you need your main OS to be Windows or Linux
based.

Linux isn't even on the horizon anymore and I try to avoid Windows.


Have a nice day,

Holger


.. If your dog is fat, you aren't getting enough exercise.
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