• Pascal vs C++

    From Wayne Harms@1:218/505 to Scott Adams on Monday, September 30, 2002 15:17:00
    Quoting Andy Ball to Scott Adams <=-




    Yeah. I've done pascal since the early '80s though
    technically my first language was basic as it was for
    everyone then. Since then I've tried to learn more and up to
    about 26 langauges through college and work. But I still
    come back to pascal for home coding since its the easiest and
    less stressful than say C which I may do at work all day. As
    to open sourcing yes, its alot of material to deal with and
    can get bogged down in things.


    Just a bit curious about the main difference between Turbo Pascal ver
    7.0 and C++. Both look like they are structured the same but hows the processing speed of the 2, which processes information faster?


    Wayne
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  • From Wayne Harms@1:218/505 to Scott Adams on Monday, September 30, 2002 15:17:00
    Quoting Andy Ball to Scott Adams <=-




    Yeah. I've done pascal since the early '80s though
    technically my first language was basic as it was for
    everyone then. Since then I've tried to learn more and up to
    about 26 langauges through college and work. But I still
    come back to pascal for home coding since its the easiest and
    less stressful than say C which I may do at work all day. As
    to open sourcing yes, its alot of material to deal with and
    can get bogged down in things.


    Just a bit curious about the main difference between Turbo Pascal ver
    7.0 and C++. Both look like they are structured the same but hows the processing speed of the 2, which processes information faster?


    Wayne
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  • From Jasen Betts@3:640/531.42 to Wayne Harms on Monday, October 07, 2002 20:37:47
    Hi Wayne.

    30-Sep-02 14:17:00, Wayne Harms wrote to Scott Adams


    Quoting Andy Ball to Scott Adams <=-

    Just a bit curious about the main difference between Turbo Pascal
    ver 7.0 and C++.

    C++ is more available

    Both look like they are structured the same but hows the processing
    speed of the 2, which processes information faster?

    It depemds how much inline assembler you use. :)

    TP does some things more efficiently C++ does others...

    Bye <=-
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  • From Wayne Harms@1:218/505 to Scott Adams on Monday, September 30, 2002 15:17:00
    Quoting Andy Ball to Scott Adams <=-




    Yeah. I've done pascal since the early '80s though
    technically my first language was basic as it was for
    everyone then. Since then I've tried to learn more and up to
    about 26 langauges through college and work. But I still
    come back to pascal for home coding since its the easiest and
    less stressful than say C which I may do at work all day. As
    to open sourcing yes, its alot of material to deal with and
    can get bogged down in things.


    Just a bit curious about the main difference between Turbo Pascal ver
    7.0 and C++. Both look like they are structured the same but hows the processing speed of the 2, which processes information faster?


    Wayne
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  • From Wayne Harms@1:218/505 to Jasen Betts on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 17:18:00
    Hi Wayne.

    30-Sep-02 14:17:00, Wayne Harms wrote to Scott Adams


    Quoting Andy Ball to Scott Adams <=-

    Just a bit curious about the main difference between Turbo
    Pascal ver 7.0 and C++.

    C++ is more available


    I just don't know if the price is really worth it when you don't almost
    $400. I prefer the Delphi. Seems you can do just as much as you could
    with the C++ in Delphi. Basically the tool bars are pretty much the
    same, And Delphi loads a lot quicker from the Desktop.

    Wayne

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  • From Wayne Harms@1:218/505 to Scott Adams on Monday, September 30, 2002 15:17:00
    Quoting Andy Ball to Scott Adams <=-




    Yeah. I've done pascal since the early '80s though
    technically my first language was basic as it was for
    everyone then. Since then I've tried to learn more and up to
    about 26 langauges through college and work. But I still
    come back to pascal for home coding since its the easiest and
    less stressful than say C which I may do at work all day. As
    to open sourcing yes, its alot of material to deal with and
    can get bogged down in things.


    Just a bit curious about the main difference between Turbo Pascal ver
    7.0 and C++. Both look like they are structured the same but hows the processing speed of the 2, which processes information faster?


    Wayne
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  • From Jasen Betts@3:640/531.42 to Wayne Harms on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 19:46:27
    Hi Wayne.

    09-Oct-02 16:18:00, Wayne Harms wrote to Jasen Betts


    Hi Wayne.

    30-Sep-02 14:17:00, Wayne Harms wrote to Scott Adams

    Quoting Andy Ball to Scott Adams <=-

    Just a bit curious about the main difference between Turbo Pascal
    ver 7.0 and C++.

    C++ is more available

    I just don't know if the price is really worth it when you don't
    almost $400.

    I wasn't thinking of ms-windows at all, :)

    C++ is avalable for pretty much any computer more powerfull than a C64,

    TP is limited to PC and macintosh

    I prefer the Delphi. Seems you can do just as much as
    you could with the C++ in Delphi. Basically the tool bars are
    pretty much the same, And Delphi loads a lot quicker from the
    Desktop.

    I've not used C++ builder or delphi, so I can't really compare the GUI
    stuff, but as you say the TP and C++ languages have about equal "expressive power"

    Bye <=-

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  • From Wayne Harms@1:218/505 to Jasen Betts on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 17:18:00
    Hi Wayne.

    30-Sep-02 14:17:00, Wayne Harms wrote to Scott Adams


    Quoting Andy Ball to Scott Adams <=-

    Just a bit curious about the main difference between Turbo
    Pascal ver 7.0 and C++.

    C++ is more available


    I just don't know if the price is really worth it when you don't almost
    $400. I prefer the Delphi. Seems you can do just as much as you could
    with the C++ in Delphi. Basically the tool bars are pretty much the
    same, And Delphi loads a lot quicker from the Desktop.

    Wayne

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  • From Scott Adams@1:112/91 to Wayne Harms on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 04:05:08
    Quoting Wayne Harms to Scott Adams <=-

    Yeah. I've done pascal since the early '80s though
    technically my first language was basic as it was for
    everyone then. Since then I've tried to learn more and up to
    about 26 langauges through college and work. But I still
    come back to pascal for home coding since its the easiest and
    less stressful than say C which I may do at work all day. As
    to open sourcing yes, its alot of material to deal with and
    can get bogged down in things.


    Just a bit curious about the main difference between Turbo Pascal ver
    7.0 and C++. Both look like they are structured the same but hows the processing speed of the 2, which processes information faster?

    Well C tends to sometimes be more bottom level coding in
    terms of being at the lowest level (though ASMembly is).
    Pascal gets that way but its more oriented toward human
    interaction. Pascal uses english like structures that
    use common sense in alot of ways whereas C tends to
    use cryptic keywords and structures that at first glance
    isn't english but alien to many. TP7 didn't do OOP
    (object oriented programming) at that point I believe
    the first...no wait..7 may have..hmm..I think I went
    to tp5 to bp7..I know bp7 did but I dont' recall tp7
    though i think it had OWL and other OOP oriented stuff
    in it..err..I'm babbling..

    While in many ways they are two distinct languages they
    really aren't.

    In terms of speed and efficiency.

    Its debatable and has been a debate in the fido pascal
    and C echos for over a decade. But it boils down to
    one thing programming ability and skill level. In the
    end its not the type of keywords english or cryptic
    since that gets broken down into machine code but its
    a matter of how you code things.

    A simple loop can slow down a program greatly by
    a simple mistake in both languages but its the
    skill of the coder to know that mistake can work
    or not work. So don't be swayed by things like
    which is a better language but just develop your
    own skills and then go from there.

    I use both and a dozen or so other languages. If
    you really in truly want speed and efficiency then
    go assembly but even then today's compilers are so
    advanced its a non-issue. I use C for most contracts
    but use pascal at home. I'm an expert in pascal
    but in C I still need the bloody online help :)

    The issues of speed and efficiency died years ago
    with the speed of computers today its a waste
    to really consider unless your just writing some
    real time intensive programs.


    For years folks say C does better things than pascal
    and vice versus. But over the years we've shown
    that's a myth. Its programmer ability not lines
    of code.



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  • From Scott Adams@1:112/91 to Wayne Harms on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 04:08:43
    Quoting Wayne Harms to Jasen Betts <=-

    Quoting Andy Ball to Scott Adams <=-

    Just a bit curious about the main difference between Turbo
    Pascal ver 7.0 and C++.

    C++ is more available


    I just don't know if the price is really worth it when you don't
    almost $400. I prefer the Delphi. Seems you can do just as much as you could with the C++ in Delphi. Basically the tool bars are pretty much
    the same, And Delphi loads a lot quicker from the Desktop.

    Check out your local college bookstore alot of
    the campuses have discounts. I bought my delphi 3
    back in college for only 50$ for the full ciient/
    server version which would've been at least 500$
    back then or 400 i forget. The only problem with
    such discounts is the company doesn't allow free
    tech support in the programs since your buying
    it cheaper. But since I've never needed it
    it didn't bother me, but something you can look
    into.

    Also visual studio has delphi, C in it in one
    package (and VB and something else..I got
    it on the shelf but never installed it yet...
    maybe its turbo asm?)...


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  • From Scott Adams@1:112/91 to Simon Woodland on Friday, October 18, 2002 06:08:06
    Quoting Simon Woodland to Wayne Harms <=-


    I just don't know if the price is really worth it when you don't
    almost
    $400. I prefer the Delphi. Seems you can do just as much as you
    could
    with the C++ in Delphi. Basically the tool bars are pretty much the
    same, And Delphi loads a lot quicker from the Desktop.

    Thats is because Borland C++ Builder is written in object pascal.

    There is hack on the internet that will let you turn Borland C++ into
    a Delphi complier.

    Not heard of that hack..hmmm


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  • From Wayne Harms@1:218/505 to Jasen Betts on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 17:18:00
    Hi Wayne.

    30-Sep-02 14:17:00, Wayne Harms wrote to Scott Adams


    Quoting Andy Ball to Scott Adams <=-

    Just a bit curious about the main difference between Turbo
    Pascal ver 7.0 and C++.

    C++ is more available


    I just don't know if the price is really worth it when you don't almost
    $400. I prefer the Delphi. Seems you can do just as much as you could
    with the C++ in Delphi. Basically the tool bars are pretty much the
    same, And Delphi loads a lot quicker from the Desktop.

    Wayne

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