• [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: install:nix

    From digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Friday, April 01, 2022 17:47:46
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by digital man:
    [Using Git] The sbbs319b git tag should work fine.
  • From nelgin to wiki.synchro.net on Saturday, June 04, 2022 17:12:41
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by nelgin:
    [Creating the Synchronet Directory] added SBBRDIR for those who can't be arsed to read Makefile sources.
  • From digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Saturday, June 04, 2022 19:54:35
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by digital man:
    old revision restored (2022/04/01 17:47) - passing SBBSDIR is not necessary, SBBSCTRL must be set for SYMLINKS=1 to work and that determines the install location
  • From tracker1 to wiki.synchro.net on Thursday, October 06, 2022 08:24:24
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by tracker1:
    [Creating the Synchronet Directory]
  • From Gamgee@PALANT to tracker1 on Thursday, October 06, 2022 14:12:00
    tracker1 wrote to wiki.synchro.net <=-

    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by tracker1:
    [Creating the Synchronet Directory]

    An improvement, perhaps, but still... my thinking is that somebody who doesn't (already) know they can't create /sbbs without being root isn't
    going to know how to do the "run as root" that you added. They don't
    know *how* to run that command as root.

    Would it be better to first instruct them to "su" to root, or to preface
    the commands with "sudo"? The example prompts ('$') might need to be
    changed to '#' also...? Just my (unrequested) input. ;-)



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  • From Digital Man to Gamgee on Thursday, October 06, 2022 16:41:59
    Re: Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: install:nix
    By: Gamgee to tracker1 on Thu Oct 06 2022 02:12 pm

    tracker1 wrote to wiki.synchro.net <=-

    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by tracker1:
    [Creating the Synchronet Directory]

    An improvement, perhaps, but still... my thinking is that somebody who doesn't (already) know they can't create /sbbs without being root isn't going to know how to do the "run as root" that you added. They don't
    know *how* to run that command as root.

    Would it be better to first instruct them to "su" to root, or to preface
    the commands with "sudo"? The example prompts ('$') might need to be changed to '#' also...? Just my (unrequested) input. ;-)

    The wiki is editable by just about anyone. Go for it!
    --
    digital man (rob)

    Breaking Bad quote #51:
    I did it for me. I liked it. I was good at it. And.. I was really.. I was alive Norco, CA WX: 80.5°F, 59.0% humidity, 4 mph SE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs
  • From Dan Clough to wiki.synchro.net on Thursday, October 06, 2022 18:03:26
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by Dan Clough:
    [Creating the Synchronet Directory]
  • From Gamgee@PALANT to Digital Man on Thursday, October 06, 2022 20:23:43
    Re: Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: install:nix
    By: Digital Man to Gamgee on Thu Oct 06 2022 04:41 pm

    Re: Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: install:nix

    An improvement, perhaps, but still... my thinking is that somebody who doesn't (already) know they can't create /sbbs without being root isn't going to know how to do the "run as root" that you added. They don't know *how* to run that command as root.

    Would it be better to first instruct them to "su" to root, or to preface the commands with "sudo"? The example prompts ('$') might need to be changed to '#' also...? Just my (unrequested) input. ;-)

    The wiki is editable by just about anyone. Go for it!

    Done! :-)

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL
  • From Nelgin@EOTLBBS to Gamgee on Friday, October 07, 2022 02:36:37
    Re: Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: install:nix
    By: Gamgee to Digital Man on Thu Oct 06 2022 20:23:43

    An improvement, perhaps, but still... my thinking is that somebody who doesn't (already) know they can't create /sbbs without being root isn't going to know how to do the "run as root" that you added. They don't know *how* to run that command as root.

    You're making assumptions that the sbbs account that was setup (as you say in the wiki article, let's assume), then they may not have given the user sudo permissions, so are you going to mention then also? Then...if they didn't know how to run something as root, how would they have created the account in the first place?

    Then again, I think someone setting up a bulletin board for the first time is likely to pick the OS they know. I don't most people who have only ever used Windows are going to say, "Ah, Synchronet, I think I'll put that on an OS I know nothing about".

    Well, there maybe one or two I could name, but in general, I think you have to assume people know what they're doing.
    ---
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  • From Gamgee@PALANT to Nelgin on Friday, October 07, 2022 07:33:00
    Nelgin wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: install:nix
    By: Gamgee to Digital Man on Thu Oct 06 2022 20:23:43

    An improvement, perhaps, but still... my thinking is that somebody who doesn't (already) know they can't create /sbbs without being root isn't going to know how to do the "run as root" that you added. They don't know *how* to run that command as root.

    You're making assumptions that the sbbs account that was setup
    (as you say in the wiki article, let's assume), then they may not
    have given the user sudo permissions, so are you going to mention
    then also? Then...if they didn't know how to run something as
    root, how would they have created the account in the first place?

    No argument with any of that... I think on many n00b-friendly distros nowadays, you can make a user account with a GUI applet that only
    requires your own password to authenticate, so perhaps they made the
    'sbbs' user that way. I know, that's another assumption. It's nearly impossible to cover all possible scenarios for this, without a
    ridiculously long instruction document.

    Then again, I think someone setting up a bulletin board for the
    first time is likely to pick the OS they know. I don't most
    people who have only ever used Windows are going to say, "Ah,
    Synchronet, I think I'll put that on an OS I know nothing about".

    Certainly. I think the edit(s) have improved the explanation, though,
    and that was the goal. It's better than it was. Maybe I'll have
    another go at it if I come across any leftover motivation... ;-)


    ... If it weren't for Edison we'd be using computers by candlelight
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    ■ Synchronet ■ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL
  • From Digital Man to Gamgee on Friday, October 07, 2022 10:38:25
    Re: Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: install:nix
    By: Gamgee to Nelgin on Fri Oct 07 2022 07:33 am

    Nelgin wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: install:nix
    By: Gamgee to Digital Man on Thu Oct 06 2022 20:23:43

    An improvement, perhaps, but still... my thinking is that somebody who doesn't (already) know they can't create /sbbs without being root isn't going to know how to do the "run as root" that you added. They don't know *how* to run that command as root.

    You're making assumptions that the sbbs account that was setup
    (as you say in the wiki article, let's assume), then they may not
    have given the user sudo permissions, so are you going to mention
    then also? Then...if they didn't know how to run something as
    root, how would they have created the account in the first place?

    No argument with any of that... I think on many n00b-friendly distros nowadays, you can make a user account with a GUI applet that only
    requires your own password to authenticate, so perhaps they made the
    'sbbs' user that way. I know, that's another assumption. It's nearly impossible to cover all possible scenarios for this, without a
    ridiculously long instruction document.

    Then again, I think someone setting up a bulletin board for the
    first time is likely to pick the OS they know. I don't most
    people who have only ever used Windows are going to say, "Ah, Synchronet, I think I'll put that on an OS I know nothing about".

    Certainly. I think the edit(s) have improved the explanation, though,
    and that was the goal. It's better than it was. Maybe I'll have
    another go at it if I come across any leftover motivation... ;-)

    And try to remember when editing the wiki: Linux is not the only *nix supported by Synchronet. What's true for Linux may not be true for other Unix-like OSes.
    --
    digital man (rob)

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    PETSCII = PET Standard Code of Information Interchange (a.k.a. CBM ASCII) Norco, CA WX: 73.4°F, 77.0% humidity, 1 mph E wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs
  • From Gamgee@PALANT to Digital Man on Friday, October 07, 2022 14:35:00
    Digital Man wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Then again, I think someone setting up a bulletin board for the
    first time is likely to pick the OS they know. I don't most
    people who have only ever used Windows are going to say, "Ah, Synchronet, I think I'll put that on an OS I know nothing about".

    Certainly. I think the edit(s) have improved the explanation, though,
    and that was the goal. It's better than it was. Maybe I'll have
    another go at it if I come across any leftover motivation... ;-)

    And try to remember when editing the wiki: Linux is not the only
    *nix supported by Synchronet. What's true for Linux may not be
    true for other Unix-like OSes.

    Good point, and I'll do that.



    ... I was wondering why the baseball was getting bigger. Then it hit me.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
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  • From digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Thursday, October 13, 2022 13:42:48
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by digital man:
    [Using Git] Mention the mirrors to the install/GNUmakefile
  • From digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Thursday, October 13, 2022 15:57:02
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by digital man:
    [Creating the Synchronet Directory] More/better examples using the Run-as user's home directory for install
  • From digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Tuesday, January 24, 2023 21:35:23
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by digital man:
    [Using Git] Document the install NOCAP=1 option
  • From digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Tuesday, January 24, 2023 21:44:59
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by digital man:
    [Run-as User] Mention that the run-as user should have sudo access on Linux
  • From digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Tuesday, January 24, 2023 21:53:13
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by digital man:
    [Using Git] Explain why the user's password may be prompted for during build
  • From digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Wednesday, January 25, 2023 13:07:35
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by digital man:
    Include example of how to add run-as user (sbbs) to sudo group on Linux
  • From digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Wednesday, January 25, 2023 19:08:57
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by digital man:
    [Run-as User] clarify the sudo stuff
  • From digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Thursday, January 26, 2023 15:28:43
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by digital man:
    [Run-as User] Better ordering and details on creating and switching-to the run-as user
  • From digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Thursday, January 26, 2023 16:50:14
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by digital man:
    [Tarball] Update examples to reference 3.19b instead of 3.18b
  • From digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Thursday, January 26, 2023 17:11:48
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by digital man:
    [Daemon Mode] Re-ordered the Linux init modes (put systemd first since it's most prevalent)
  • From digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Thursday, January 26, 2023 17:18:32
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by digital man:
    [Notes] Upgraded from Debian 9 long ago
  • From digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Friday, January 27, 2023 00:00:46
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by digital man:
    [Using Git] Update post-install directory example to match reality (and sbbs:sbbs user)
  • From digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Friday, January 27, 2023 10:27:40
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by digital man:
    Move termcap/terminfo to its own page and reference it here in the See Also section
  • From digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Monday, January 30, 2023 15:54:55
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by digital man:
    [Run-as User] Use adduser rather than usermod to add sbbs to sudo group, following the example of https://wiki.debian.org/sudo
  • From digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Saturday, February 25, 2023 19:59:15
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by digital man:
    [See Also] Add link to nix:mail article
  • From digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Sunday, February 26, 2023 15:00:56
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by digital man:
    [UNIX Installation] Bold the line about prereq's
  • From digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Tuesday, March 28, 2023 17:01:34
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by digital man:
    Add exclamation marks
  • From digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Tuesday, March 28, 2023 17:05:08
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by digital man:
    [Run-as User] typo
  • From digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Friday, April 07, 2023 20:51:07
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by digital man:
    Clean up wording
  • From digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Saturday, April 08, 2023 15:56:06
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by digital man:
    [Tarball Build Method] Add GIT=NO option to tarball build instructions, solves error about missing .git dir required to build git_hash.h
  • From digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Saturday, April 08, 2023 16:25:56
    Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix by digital man:
    [Tarball Build Method] The new sbbs-src.tgz will include the appropriate local_defs.mk already