Hello All!

I remember synchro from my old fidonet days when I moved to Windows back in 1999 and found it very cool but a hugmoungus mnster filled with options -- do not get me wrong, I would live to move away from Mystic (or use them both).

I've compiled and let's say configured Synchronet on a linux VM, I've tried reading through the wiki with no much luck on getting all of the pieces together.

Ready:
- BBS (stock), I can login and you know browse around
- echocfg, I setup a test node 4:930/10 and some echomail local areas and connection to my main node.

Not ready: (looging for documenatrtion)
- BinkP setup toss, scan, areafix, filefix
- Translate menus and prompts int spanish, I saw the option to change Language but the funny thing is that the only thing changed into spanish is the Language prompt to Idioma, so all the resty keeps beng in english.


David
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SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1 310/31
SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848 770/1 SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 5020/400

Re: Newbie question
By: David Gonzalez to All on Sun Nov 24 2024 05:51 pm

Not ready: (looging for documenatrtion)
- BinkP setup toss, scan, areafix, filefix

See https://wiki.synchro.net/howto:fidonet for the script that automates much of that.

- Translate menus and prompts int spanish, I saw the option to change Language but the funny thing is that the only thing changed into spanish is the Language prompt to Idioma, so all the resty keeps beng in english.

See ctrl/text.es.ini for the strings that have been translated so far (not many). Feel free to correct or add more!
https://wiki.synchro.net/custom:text.ini
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David Gonzalez wrote to All <=-

I've compiled and let's say configured Synchronet on a linux VM, I've tried reading through the wiki with no much luck on getting all of the pieces together.

Ready:
- BBS (stock), I can login and you know browse around
- echocfg, I setup a test node 4:930/10 and some echomail local areas
and connection to my main node.

Not ready: (looging for documenatrtion)
- BinkP setup toss, scan, areafix, filefix

Start with a look at "Binkit" (mailer) and "SBBSEcho" (tosser) on the
Wiki.

- Translate menus and prompts int spanish, I saw the option to change Language but the funny thing is that the only thing changed into
spanish is the Language prompt to Idioma, so all the resty keeps beng
in english.

You'll have to create/modify your own menu display files for that.
Start with the "Customization" section on the Wiki.


... Gone crazy, be back later, please leave message.
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Hello Gamgee!

24 Nov 24 18:41, you wrote to me:

David Gonzalez wrote to All <=-

I've compiled and let's say configured Synchronet on a linux VM,
I've tried reading through the wiki with no much luck on getting
all of the pieces together.

Ready:
- BBS (stock), I can login and you know browse around
- echocfg, I setup a test node 4:930/10 and some echomail local
areas and connection to my main node.

Not ready: (looging for documenatrtion)
- BinkP setup toss, scan, areafix, filefix

Start with a look at "Binkit" (mailer) and "SBBSEcho" (tosser) on the Wiki.

I'll have a deeper loo at that, maybe there were some things I've overlooked.

- Translate menus and prompts int spanish, I saw the option to
change Language but the funny thing is that the only thing
changed into spanish is the Language prompt to Idioma, so all the
resty keeps beng in english.

You'll have to create/modify your own menu display files for that.
Start with the "Customization" section on the Wiki.

Yup, to the TO-DO list

Many thanks

... Gone crazy, be back later, please leave message.
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David
SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 221/0
SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1 310/31
SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848 770/1 SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 5020/400

On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 07:52:45 -0500
"David Gonzalez" (VERT) <VERT!David.Gonzalez@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:
When are you going to fix this?
Unless you put it there on purpose to confuse everyone?

David
SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 221/0 SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1 310/31 SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848
770/1 SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 5020/400

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Re: Re: Newbie question
By: nelgin to All on Mon Nov 25 2024 09:52 am

On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 07:52:45 -0500
"David Gonzalez" (VERT) <VERT!David.Gonzalez@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote: When are you going to fix this?
Unless you put it there on purpose to confuse everyone?

David
SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 221/0 SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1 310/31 SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848
770/1 SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 5020/400

when are you going to learn to reply and quote correctly.

you are embedding your text inside his and also replying to all.
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Re: Re: Newbie question
By: MRO to nelgin on Mon Nov 25 2024 02:36 pm

you are embedding your text inside his and also replying to all.

I think some of his messages are being sent to "All" because he's using a news reader.

Nightfox

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Re: Newbie question
By: David Gonzalez to Gamgee on Mon Nov 25 2024 07:52 am

Howdy,

David
SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 221/0 SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1 310/31 SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848 770/1 SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 5020/400

Your messages have SEEN-BY's after them.

Under normal conditions they are not shown by default - so not sure why they are should with your messages.


...δεσ∩

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Hello deon!

26 Nov 24 19:28, you wrote to me:

Re: Newbie question
By: David Gonzalez to Gamgee on Mon Nov 25 2024 07:52 am

Howdy,

David
SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0
221/0
SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1
310/31
SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848
770/1
SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 5020/400

Your messages have SEEN-BY's after them.

Under normal conditions they are not shown by default - so not sure
why they are should with your messages.

It's weird, I have not enabled those,

...δεσ∩

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David
---ORIGIN Still fixing it
SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 221/0
SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1 310/31
SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848 770/1 SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 10 5020/400

Hello nelgin!

25 Nov 24 09:52, you wrote to All:

Sorry hgow old are you?, if you're frudtrated don't take it on other people, even less to me.

On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 07:52:45 -0500
"David Gonzalez" (VERT) <VERT!David.Gonzalez@endofthelinebbs.com>
wrote: When are you going to fix this? Unless you put it there on
purpose to confuse everyone?

Sure, maybe I want to confuse people... come on man, let this please be the last time I see message slike this from you.

There can be misconfigurations, if it doesn't happen to you, good for you.

-+-
David G

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SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 221/0
SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1 310/31
SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848 770/1 SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 10 5020/400

Re: Newbie question
By: David Gonzalez to nelgin on Tue Nov 26 2024 07:43:01

Sure, maybe I want to confuse people... come on man, let this please be the last time I see message slike this from you.

Touchy.

Trust me, you'll never hear from me again. Adios.

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On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 07:41:16 -0500
"David Gonzalez" (VERT) <VERT!David.Gonzalez@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:

Hello deon!

26 Nov 24 19:28, you wrote to me:

Re: Newbie question
By: David Gonzalez to Gamgee on Mon Nov 25 2024 07:52 am

Howdy,

David
SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0
221/0
SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1
310/31
SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848
770/1
SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 5020/400

Your messages have SEEN-BY's after them.

Under normal conditions they are not shown by default - so not
sure why they are should with your messages.

It's weird, I have not enabled those,

...δεσ∩

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David
---ORIGIN Still fixing it
SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 221/0 SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1 310/31 SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848
770/1 SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 10 5020/400

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How come I get this "Sorry hgow old are you?, if you're frudtrated(sic)
don't take it on other people, even less to me." and "come on man, let
this please be the last time I see message slike(sic) this from you."
buillshit from David and you get "It's weird"? haha.
What a nugget.
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Re: Newbie question
By: deon to David Gonzalez on Tue Nov 26 2024 07:28 pm

Re: Newbie question
By: David Gonzalez to Gamgee on Mon Nov 25 2024 07:52 am

Howdy,

David
SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 221/0 SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1 310/31 SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848 770/1 SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 5020/400

Your messages have SEEN-BY's after them.

Under normal conditions they are not shown by default - so not sure why

they
are should with your messages.

X-FTN-AREA SYNCHRONET
X-FTN-PATH 930/1 902/26 280/464
X-FTN-MSGID 4:930/1 6743afb4
X-FTN-PID GED+W32 1.1.5-b20180707
X-FTN-TID Mystic BBS 1.12 A48

it's an issue with whatever he's using to post.

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Re: Newbie question
By: David Gonzalez to nelgin on Tue Nov 26 2024 07:43 am

Hello nelgin!

25 Nov 24 09:52, you wrote to All:

Sorry hgow old are you?, if you're frudtrated don't take it on other people, even less to me.

On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 07:52:45 -0500
"David Gonzalez" (VERT) <VERT!David.Gonzalez@endofthelinebbs.com>

nelgin is the guy who 'hates me' and accuses me of doing what he does.
he's been called out on his behavior several times.

you do need to look into your software and see where you messed up.
nobody died because of it, though.
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Re: Newbie question
By: nelgin to David Gonzalez on Tue Nov 26 2024 12:07 pm

Re: Newbie question
By: David Gonzalez to nelgin on Tue Nov 26 2024 07:43:01

Sure, maybe I want to confuse people... come on man, let this please be the last time I see message slike this from you.

Touchy.

Trust me, you'll never hear from me again. Adios.

can you do that for everybody?
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Hola MRO!, saludo cordial

26 Nov 24 15:43, tu escribi(ste) a ti:

Re: Newbie question
By: David Gonzalez to nelgin on Tue Nov 26 2024 07:43 am

Hello nelgin!

25 Nov 24 09:52, you wrote to All:

Sorry hgow old are you?, if you're frudtrated don't take it on
other people, even less to me.

On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 07:52:45 -0500
"David Gonzalez" (VERT)

<VERT!David.Gonzalez@endofthelinebbs.com>

nelgin is the guy who 'hates me' and accuses me of doing what he does. he's been called out on his behavior several times.

Well, this world is filled with those a.. anywho!, that kinda ppl are the ones who go to schools and you know...

Whos so dumb to take the time to trash others instead of helping, but bite me

you do need to look into your software and see where you messed up. nobody died because of it, though.

Fortunately, but I'm still with the undelying issue, I cannot seem to be able to send netmails from SBB, I setup the area and all normal steps, but I don't se as I do on Mystic a clear indicator that the are is Netmail... I see private, networked, so on but I'm overwhelmed by the humongus amount of options. I'm still learning or re-learning all of this, remembering and trying to put the pieces together.

Regards.

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SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 221/0
SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1 310/31
SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848 770/1 SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 10 5020/400

Hola MRO!, saludo cordial

26 Nov 24 15:41, tu escribi(ste) a deon:

Synchronet BBS, from within the BBS, LoL

Re: Newbie question
By: deon to David Gonzalez on Tue Nov 26 2024 07:28 pm

Re: Newbie question
By: David Gonzalez to Gamgee on Mon Nov 25 2024 07:52 am

Howdy,

David
SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0

221/0

SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1

310/31

SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280

712/848 770/1

SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 5020/400

Your messages have SEEN-BY's after them.

Under normal conditions they are not shown by default - so not sure
why

they
are should with your messages.

X-FTN-AREA SYNCHRONET
X-FTN-PATH 930/1 902/26 280/464
X-FTN-MSGID 4:930/1 6743afb4
X-FTN-PID GED+W32 1.1.5-b20180707
X-FTN-TID Mystic BBS 1.12 A48

it's an issue with whatever he's using to post.

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Saludos/Kind Regards
David
- SysOp SkyNet BBS
- telnet://bbs.skynet.com:20023
SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 221/0
SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1 310/31
SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848 770/1 SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 10 5020/400

Hola MRO!, saludo cordial

26 Nov 24 15:44, tu escribi(ste) a nelgin:


LMFFFFFSAO

Have him banned and strap him down, people like that should not be around otehr people.

Re: Newbie question
By: nelgin to David Gonzalez on Tue Nov 26 2024 12:07 pm

Re: Newbie question
By: David Gonzalez to nelgin on Tue Nov 26 2024 07:43:01

Sure, maybe I want to confuse people... come on man, let this

please be

the last time I see message slike this from you.

Touchy.

Trust me, you'll never hear from me again. Adios.

can you do that for everybody?
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David
- SysOp SkyNet BBS
- telnet://bbs.skynet.com:20023
SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 221/0
SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1 310/31
SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848 770/1 SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 10 5020/400

Hello David,

On Tue, Nov 26 2024 16:24:35 -0600, you wrote:

Synchronet BBS, from within the BBS, LoL

Don't give misinformation, please. THE PID clearly says you're using Golded to write the message.

I've already given you the fix a few times now, so either you're not getting every message, or you're not reading all of them.

SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 104/119 124/5016 129/215 153/757 154/10 30 50 SEEN-BY: 154/700 203/0 220/20 90 221/0 6 226/18 44 50 229/310 426 240/1120 SEEN-BY: 240/5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1 310/31 341/66 234 396/45 SEEN-BY: 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848 770/1 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 SEEN-BY: 902/26 930/1 10 2320/105 3634/12 5020/400

You can have these back. We don't need them. :)

Regards,
Nick

... He who laughs last, thinks slowest.
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Re: Newbie question
By: MRO to deon on Tue Nov 26 2024 03:41 pm

Howdy,

X-FTN-AREA SYNCHRONET
X-FTN-PATH 930/1 902/26 280/464
X-FTN-MSGID 4:930/1 6743afb4
X-FTN-PID GED+W32 1.1.5-b20180707
X-FTN-TID Mystic BBS 1.12 A48

it's an issue with whatever he's using to post.

Well, I think it's because Golded is being used, and its not appending an Origin line to his messages.

Origin lines are however optional (as per FTS-4), which means SEEN-BY lines are probably not being detected - and I see Rob has created a issue to address that sometime.

I have the same problem with clrghouz, which I'll need to fix too.


...δεσ∩

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Re: Newbie question
By: David Gonzalez to MRO on Tue Nov 26 2024 05:18 pm

Fortunately, but I'm still with the undelying issue, I cannot seem to be able to send netmails from SBB, I setup the area and all normal steps, but I don't se as I do on Mystic a clear indicator that the are is Netmail... I see private, networked, so on but I'm overwhelmed by the humongus amount of options. I'm still learning or re-learning all of this, remembering and trying to put the pieces together.

Regards.

if you are having problems with synchronet, make sure you are posting
actual screenshots of your configuration.

really, this stuff isnt hard. if an idiot like me can set it up and then fix other people's setup you can do it. you just made a mistake someplace and need to find the mistake.

maybe find someone you can trust and have them remote desktop you with teamviewer.
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Re: Newbie question
By: David Gonzalez to MRO on Tue Nov 26 2024 05:24 pm

it's an issue with whatever he's using to post.

Hola MRO!, saludo cordial

26 Nov 24 15:41, tu escribi(ste) a deon:

Synchronet BBS, from within the BBS, LoL

make sure you reply on the bottom.

so you are on synchronet bbs and posting, so why does it have
those tags for golded and mystic?
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Re: Newbie question
By: deon to MRO on Wed Nov 27 2024 09:47 am

X-FTN-PID GED+W32 1.1.5-b20180707
X-FTN-TID Mystic BBS 1.12 A48

it's an issue with whatever he's using to post.

Well, I think it's because Golded is being used, and its not appending an Origin line to his messages.

i used golded before with synchronet and i never had those problems.

he just needs to retrace his steps and find his error. also i'm sure nick gave him the correct info.
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Hi deon,

On 2024-11-27 09:47:49, you wrote to MRO:

Origin lines are however optional (as per FTS-4),

It doesn't say that! It says:

"Although the Origin line is not required by all Echomail processors, it is added by the Conference Mail System to ensure complete compatibility."

It is not very clear wording, but I read that as software that creates echomail messages should always add the origin line. But software that processes echomail, should be flexible when it is not present.

fsc-0074.001, the supposed succesor of fts-0004.001, has much clearer wording, and leaves no room for interpretation: "There shall be exactly one origin line in a message."

I don't know why fsc-0074 never made it as fts-0004.002. It was drafted between 06 Jun 1991 and 28 July 1993. Maybe if someone has archived the contents of the private FTSC area, this can be made clear?


Bye, Wilfred.

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Re: Re: Newbie question
By: Wilfred van Velzen to deon on Wed Nov 27 2024 09:38 am

Hey Wilfred,

It doesn't say that! It says:

"Although the Origin line is not required by all Echomail processors, it is added by the Conference Mail System to ensure complete compatibility."

It is not very clear wording, but I read that as software that creates echomail messages should always add the origin line. But software that processes echomail, should be flexible when it is not present.

I'm not going to 100% agree with you on this one.

In FTS-0004, in the section about Origin lines (which is point 3), the wording as you have quoted "not required by all..." and "added... complete compatibility" indicates to me that it is not (absolutely) required, but rather useful if it is added.

Further, point 1 (Area Line), and point 4 (Seen-by Lines), explicitly states that these control fields are required. So if point 3 was required, I would expect it to explicitly state that too.

Certainly I agree that FSC-0074 does make this clearer and states that they are required. It probably should have been promoted to a technical standard, but wasnt, for whatever reasons it never made it?


...δεσ∩

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Hola MRO!, saludo cordial

26 Nov 24 19:20, tu escribi(ste) a ti:

Re: Newbie question
By: David Gonzalez to MRO on Tue Nov 26 2024 05:18 pm

Fortunately, but I'm still with the undelying issue, I cannot seem
to be able to send netmails from SBB, I setup the area and all
normal steps, but I don't se as I do on Mystic a clear indicator
that the are is Netmail... I see private, networked, so on but I'm
overwhelmed by the humongus amount of options. I'm still learning
or re-learning all of this, remembering and trying to put the
pieces together.

Regards.

if you are having problems with synchronet, make sure you are posting actual screenshots of your configuration.

really, this stuff isnt hard. if an idiot like me can set it up and
then fix other people's setup you can do it. you just made a mistake someplace and need to find the mistake.

I've tried but I'm kinda overwhelmed with the amount of options, I tried a basic BinkD+Crashmail+GoldED and it worked, for some reason Synch which is two curses driven things and binkit AFAIK str giving me a hard time.

Screnshot here would be hard I guess.

maybe find someone you can trust and have them remote desktop you with teamviewer.

Unfortunately not many people willing to do so, on my zone there are some sysops running it but I just see *check the wiki* or just silence replaced for aanother tppic after a while.

I know it may not be hard but for some readson I have that netmail issue.

Hope this message goes w/out the kludge lines because I do not see them.

Thanks for your cheering up
--
Saludos/Kind Regards
David
- SysOp SkyNet BBS
- telnet://bbs.skynet.com:20023
SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 221/0
SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1 310/31
SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848 770/1 SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 10 5020/400

Hi deon,

On 2024-11-27 21:07:32, you wrote to me:

It doesn't say that! It says:

"Although the Origin line is not required by all Echomail processors, it is
added by the Conference Mail System to ensure complete compatibility."

It is not very clear wording, but I read that as software that creates
echomail messages should always add the origin line. But software that
processes echomail, should be flexible when it is not present.

I'm not going to 100% agree with you on this one.

In FTS-0004, in the section about Origin lines (which is point 3), the wording
as you have quoted "not required by all..." and "added... complete compatibility" indicates to me that it is not (absolutely) required, but rather useful if it is added.

I think that is putting it to weakly. And you leave out important parts of the sentence: "Echomail processors"...

Echomail composing software should always add an origin line. As is made clear in fsc-0074.

Further, point 1 (Area Line), and point 4 (Seen-by Lines), explicitly states that these control fields are required. So if point 3 was
required, I would expect it to explicitly state that too.

Your expectations are irrelevant, in such a poorly drafted document! ;-)

Certainly I agree that FSC-0074 does make this clearer and states that they are required. It probably should have been promoted to a
technical standard, but wasnt, for whatever reasons it never made it?

And that is probably unfortunately lost in history. But you are an ftsc member, so you can put this on the agenda!


Bye, Wilfred.

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Re: Newbie question
By: David Gonzalez to MRO on Wed Nov 27 2024 07:02 am

if you are having problems with synchronet, make sure you are posting actual screenshots of your configuration.

Screnshot here would be hard I guess.

what?

Hope this message goes w/out the kludge lines because I do not see them.

your post had the lines. did you try to change something?
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MRO wrote to David Gonzalez <=-

Re: Newbie question
By: David Gonzalez to MRO on Wed Nov 27 2024 07:02 am

if you are having problems with synchronet, make sure you are posting actual screenshots of your configuration.

Screnshot here would be hard I guess.

what?

Hope this message goes w/out the kludge lines because I do not see them.

your post had the lines. did you try to change something?

Forgive me if this is a silly question, but wouldn't the problem lie somewhere in the chain of systems in the SEEN-BY lines? I mean, if the message is originating from his system there would be no SEEN-BY lines (other than maybe his own node) at the time the message is sent.



Chris (CJ)
SysOp - CJ's Place BBS

... "Don't ask me. I just write here" =)
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Re: Re: Newbie question
By: CJ to MRO on Thu Nov 28 2024 06:51 am

Hope this message goes w/out the kludge lines because I do not see them.

your post had the lines. did you try to change something?

Forgive me if this is a silly question, but wouldn't the problem lie somewhere in the chain of systems in the SEEN-BY lines? I mean, if the message is originating from his system there would be no SEEN-BY lines (other than maybe his own node) at the time the message is sent.

i've seen this before and the kluge lines were normally the originator's fault. i havent dealt with this stuff for like 15 years so i can't remember. i was never a ftn expert but i set it up on my own and joined multiple networks with no issues.

right now we dont know what the dude is doing other than he's ignoring help from nick and he's overwealmed by the settings. he has not posted his configuration as well.
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Hello CJ,

On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 05:51:53 -0600, you wrote ..

Forgive me if this is a silly question, but wouldn't the problem lie somewhere in the chain of systems in the SEEN-BY lines? I mean, if
the message is originating from his system there would be no SEEN-BY
lines (other than maybe his own node) at the time the message is sent.

It's not a silly question, but the answer is no. While the SEEN-BYs keep getting added to the message as it gets passed around, his original message doesn't have a tearline or origin line, which is why the SEEN-BYs are not hidden on software that specifically only hides them if there is a tearline and origin line.

It seems Golded hides them no matter if there's a tearline and origin line, which is why the original poster doesn't see them.

Looks like Rob/Digital Man has opened a ticket to address this issue on Synchronet's end, so possibly soon we won't have to see them either. Only downside is that it won't be as easy to see (of course, no tearline and origin line will still be noticeable) when someone has a misconfigured system, but at least we won't have to suffer if they don't choose to fix it. :)

Regards,
Nick

... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
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Re: Re: Newbie question
By: CJ to MRO on Thu Nov 28 2024 06:51 am

Forgive me if this is a silly question, but wouldn't the problem lie somewhere in the chain of systems in the SEEN-BY lines? I mean, if the message is originating from his system there would be no SEEN-BY lines (other than maybe his own node) at the time the message is sent.

The problem is the original messge does not have an origin line.
--
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Re: Re: Newbie question
By: Accession to All on Thu Nov 28 2024 07:26 am

Looks like Rob/Digital Man has opened a ticket to address this issue on Synchronet's end, so possibly soon we won't have to see them either. Only downside is that it won't be as easy to see (of course, no tearline and origin line will still be noticeable) when someone has a misconfigured system, but at least we won't have to suffer if they don't choose to fix it. :)

I'm not in any hurry to address this in SBBSecho. The problem is with the originator's configuration: they need an origin line in their echomail messages. It's a critical source of metadata (the originator's address) in all echomail messages.
--
digital man (rob)

This Is Spinal Tap quote #22:
David St. Hubbins: Here lies David St. Hubbins... and why not?
Norco, CA WX: 68.3°F, 22.0% humidity, 6 mph NE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

Re: Re: Newbie question
By: Accession to All on Thu Nov 28 2024 07:26 am

It's not a silly question, but the answer is no. While the SEEN-BYs keep getting added to the message as it gets passed around, his original message doesn't have a tearline or origin line, which is why the SEEN-BYs are not hidden on software that specifically only hides them if there is a tearline and origin line.

oh THAT's why. i've always made sure i have my origin line on.
maybe i'll remote desktop this guy this weekend if i feel like it.

oh i tried to connect to his bbs. it's not connectable.
i am not even sure if that's the correct domain.

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Hello Digital,

On Thu, Nov 28 2024 13:16:46 -0600, you wrote ..

I'm not in any hurry to address this in SBBSecho. The problem is
with the originator's configuration: they need an origin line in
their echomail messages. It's a critical source of metadata (the
originator's address) in all echomail messages.

Understood and you know this, I know this, and others know this.
However, the half a dozen or more times the solution has been given to
the originator it has gone completely ignored. There's only so much we
can do. You can lead a horse to water etc etc. *shrug*

Regards,
Nick

... He who laughs last, thinks slowest.
---
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Hello Mro,

On Thu, Nov 28 2024 16:57:23 -0600, you wrote ..

oh THAT's why. i've always made sure i have my origin line on.
maybe i'll remote desktop this guy this weekend if i feel like it.

Might be better off that way, to be honest.

oh i tried to connect to his bbs. it's not connectable. i am not
even sure if that's the correct domain.

No idea on the rest of his situation. He seems to be trying to install
10 things at once and has none of them configured properly. Then gets
mad and defensive when people get frustrated trying to help him and he
doesn't listen, completely ignores, or doesn't follow instructions very
well at all.

Eventually, people will just stop trying to help. *shrug*

Regards,
Nick

... He who laughs last, thinks slowest.
---
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Re: Re: Newbie question
By: Accession to Digital Man on Thu Nov 28 2024 05:55 pm

Hello Digital,

On Thu, Nov 28 2024 13:16:46 -0600, you wrote ..

I'm not in any hurry to address this in SBBSecho. The problem is
with the originator's configuration: they need an origin line in
their echomail messages. It's a critical source of metadata (the originator's address) in all echomail messages.

Understood and you know this, I know this, and others know this.
However, the half a dozen or more times the solution has been given to
the originator it has gone completely ignored. There's only so much we
can do. You can lead a horse to water etc etc. *shrug*

Well you can't fix stupid. You can't do a work around each time someone does something stupid. Remember a while back a person wanted DM to lock out new users from posting by default in the bbs software because there were a few spammers?

The best thing to do is warn the person, tell them to use a testing area only, and if they won't abide, block them.
---
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Re: Re: Newbie question
By: Accession to All on Thu Nov 28 2024 06:31 pm

No idea on the rest of his situation. He seems to be trying to install
10 things at once and has none of them configured properly. Then gets
mad and defensive when people get frustrated trying to help him and he doesn't listen, completely ignores, or doesn't follow instructions very
well at all.

Eventually, people will just stop trying to help. *shrug*

the reason why i think the domain he is using isnt his is because it's bbs.skynet.com. that domain is setup to direct to telesat.com. also that domain goes back to 92. and there's no bbs.skynet.com subdomain. skynet.com COULD be his, but that would surprise me.

My opinion is this guy seems rushed and indecisive from what i've seen on line. he should delete everything and then set it up again and only use test areas.

Maybe he shouldn't even BE a sysop, maybe just be a user.
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Hi MRO,

On 2024-11-28 20:10:06, you wrote to Accession:

Maybe he shouldn't even BE a sysop, maybe just be a user.

It's worse:

Region,930,Colombia,Colombia,David_Gonzalez,-Unpublished-,33600,ICM,XA,V34,IBN:bbs.skynetbbs.com
,1,Colombia,Colombia,Davia_Gonzalez,-Unpublished-,300,CM,XA,IBN:bbs.skynetbbs.com


Bye, Wilfred.

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Re: Re: Newbie question
By: Wilfred van Velzen to MRO on Fri Nov 29 2024 11:17 am

Maybe he shouldn't even BE a sysop, maybe just be a user.

It's worse:

Region,930,Colombia,Colombia,David_Gonzalez,-Unpublished-,33600,ICM,XA,V34,I BN: bbs.skynetbbs.com ,1,Colombia,Colombia,Davia_Gonzalez,-Unpublished-,300, CM,XA,IBN:bbs.skynetbbs.c om

atleast there his domain is correct.

in his sig it says
"Saludos/Kind Regards
David
- SysOp SkyNet BBS
- telnet://bbs.skynet.com:20023 "
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Accession wrote to All <=-

Hello CJ,

On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 05:51:53 -0600, you wrote ..

Forgive me if this is a silly question, but wouldn't the problem lie somewhere in the chain of systems in the SEEN-BY lines? I mean, if
the message is originating from his system there would be no SEEN-BY
lines (other than maybe his own node) at the time the message is sent.

It's not a silly question, but the answer is no. While the SEEN-BYs
keep getting added to the message as it gets passed around, his
original message doesn't have a tearline or origin line, which is why
the SEEN-BYs are not hidden on software that specifically only hides
them if there is a tearline and origin line.

Ah....makes sense now. Thanks for the explanation!

Chris (CJ)
SysOp - CJ's Place BBS

... Z80 programmers do it 8 bits at a time.
--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
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MRO wrote to CJ <=-

Re: Re: Newbie question
By: CJ to MRO on Thu Nov 28 2024 06:51 am

Hope this message goes w/out the kludge lines because I do not see them.

your post had the lines. did you try to change something?

Forgive me if this is a silly question, but wouldn't the problem lie somewhere in the chain of systems in the SEEN-BY lines? I mean, if the message is originating from his system there would be no SEEN-BY lines (other than maybe his own node) at the time the message is sent.

i've seen this before and the kluge lines were normally the
originator's fault. i havent dealt with this stuff for like 15 years so
i can't remember. i was never a ftn expert but i set it up on my own
and joined multiple networks with no issues.

right now we dont know what the dude is doing other than he's ignoring help from nick and he's overwealmed by the settings. he has not posted his configuration as well. ---

Thanks MRO. I also saw the reply from Accession. It makes sense to me now. :)

Chris (CJ)
SysOp - CJ's Place BBS

... You might have mail, I can't recall.
--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
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To: CJ

right now we dont know what the dude is doing other than he's ignorin help from nick and he's overwealmed by the settings. he has not posted his configuration as well. ---

Thanks MRO. I also saw the reply from Accession. It makes sense to me now.

Chris (CJ) SysOp - CJ's Place BBS

it could be worse. he could be flooding the network with dupes and have that shit under there so it doesnt get caught. i've seen that before too.

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Wilfred van Velzen wrote to MRO <=-

Maybe he shouldn't even BE a sysop, maybe just be a user.

It's worse:

Region,930,Colombia,Colombia,David_Gonzalez,-Unpublished-,33600,ICM,XA,V34,IBN:bbs.skynetbbs.com

,1,Colombia,Colombia,Davia_Gonzalez,-Unpublished-,300,CM,XA,IBN:bbs.skynetbbs.com


A person with this lack of knowledge should not even be an RC in the
first place. It looks like he just picked random flags and decided to
use them.

I guess Zone 4 is a shambles anyway and this is par for the course.



... Daddy, what does "now formatting drive C:" mean?
=== MultiMail/Linux v0.52
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Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Dan Clough <=-

I guess Zone 4 is a shambles anyway and this is par for the course.

They are in the proces of reorganising the zone right now. The ZC is going through a steep learning curve regarding the nodelist content. These lines will improve in the coming days/weeks...

I hope you're right, but I wouldn't put any money on that.



... Never assume the obvious is true!
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Hi Dan,

On 2024-11-29 14:10:41, you wrote to me:

Maybe he shouldn't even BE a sysop, maybe just be a user.

It's worse:

Region,930,Colombia,Colombia,David_Gonzalez,-Unpublished-,33600,ICM,XA,V34,IBN
:bbs.skynetbbs.com

,1,Colombia,Colombia,Davia_Gonzalez,-Unpublished-,300,CM,XA,IBN:bbs.sk ynetbbs.com

A person with this lack of knowledge should not even be an RC in the
first place.

I think the net and region are just there for administrative purposes because he is in a different country as the rest of the zone. You could solve it differently of course, but that is up to the ZC.

It looks like he just picked random flags and decided to use them.

I don't think he created those entries himself.

I guess Zone 4 is a shambles anyway and this is par for the course.

They are in the proces of reorganising the zone right now. The ZC is going through a steep learning curve regarding the nodelist content. These lines will improve in the coming days/weeks...

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.3.2.4-B20240523
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Hi Dan,

On 2024-11-29 21:29:08, you wrote to me:

I guess Zone 4 is a shambles anyway and this is par for the course.

They are in the proces of reorganising the zone right now. The ZC is
going through a steep learning curve regarding the nodelist content.
These lines will improve in the coming days/weeks...

I hope you're right, but I wouldn't put any money on that.

I've already seen updated z4 segments coming into my system! ;-)

In the latest, his region looks like this:

Region,93,Colombia,Colombia,David_Gonzalez,-Unpublished-,300,CM,XA,IBN:bbs.skynetbbs.com
; Host,930,Colombia,Colombia,David_Gonzalez,-Unpublished-,300,CM,XA,IBN:bbs.skynetbbs.com
,1,Colombia,Colombia,Davia_Gonzalez,-Unpublished-,300,CM,XA,IBN:bbs.skynetbbs.com

So, the flags look ok to me. Of course I don't know if his system actually supports the kind of filerequests the XA flag specifies.
But at least the silly V34 flag for a internet-only system is gone.


Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.3.2.4-B20240523
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David Gonzalez wrote to Accession <=-

oh i tried to connect to his bbs. it's not connectable. i am not
even sure if that's the correct domain.

No idea on the rest of his situation. He seems to be trying to install
10 things at once and has none of them configured properly. Then gets
mad and defensive when people get frustrated trying to help him and
he doesn't listen, completely ignores, or doesn't follow instructions
very well at all.

Really?, that's what you think?

I suspect that *IS* what he thinks, since he said it was.

It's also what I think, and I believe others think that too.

Why, you wonder? For exactly the reasons he stated above. You've been offered all kinds of help, and get mad at those who tried. One thing
that doesn't change though, is that you continue to have all kinds of
problems with very basic things, and don't seem to want to listen or
<GASP> read some documenation. You seem to not make any progress on
anything, and just keep adding more mis-configurations.

Eventually, people will just stop trying to help. *shrug*

Yep. That's already happening.



... Apathy Error: Strike any key...or none, for that matter.
=== MultiMail/Linux v0.52
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Hello MRO!

28 Nov 24 16:57, you wrote to Accession:

You should've asked me LoL

Re: Re: Newbie question
By: Accession to All on Thu Nov 28 2024 07:26 am

It's not a silly question, but the answer is no. While the SEEN-BYs
keep getting added to the message as it gets passed around, his
original message doesn't have a tearline or origin line, which is
why the SEEN-BYs are not hidden on software that specifically only
hides them if there is a tearline and origin line.

oh THAT's why. i've always made sure i have my origin line on.
maybe i'll remote desktop this guy this weekend if i feel like it.

oh i tried to connect to his bbs. it's not connectable.
i am not even sure if that's the correct domain.

---
■ Synchronet ■ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
* Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (1:103/705)

David
SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 221/0
SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1 310/31
SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848 770/1 SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 10 5020/400

Hello Accession!

28 Nov 24 17:55, you wrote to Digital Man:

right, we hewar you!

Hello Digital,

On Thu, Nov 28 2024 13:16:46 -0600, you wrote ..

I'm not in any hurry to address this in SBBSecho. The problem is
with the originator's configuration: they need an origin line in
their echomail messages. It's a critical source of metadata (the
originator's address) in all echomail messages.

Understood and you know this, I know this, and others know this.
However, the half a dozen or more times the solution has been given to
the originator it has gone completely ignored. There's only so much
we can do. You can lead a horse to water etc etc. *shrug*

Regards,
Nick

... He who laughs last, thinks slowest.
---
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* Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (1:103/705)

David
SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 221/0
SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1 310/31
SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848 770/1 SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 10 5020/400

Hello Accession!

28 Nov 24 18:31, you wrote to All:

Hello Mro,

On Thu, Nov 28 2024 16:57:23 -0600, you wrote ..

oh THAT's why. i've always made sure i have my origin line on.
maybe i'll remote desktop this guy this weekend if i feel like it.

Might be better off that way, to be honest.

oh i tried to connect to his bbs. it's not connectable. i am not
even sure if that's the correct domain.

No idea on the rest of his situation. He seems to be trying to install
10 things at once and has none of them configured properly. Then gets
mad and defensive when people get frustrated trying to help him and
he doesn't listen, completely ignores, or doesn't follow instructions
very well at all.

Really?, that's what you think?

Eventually, people will just stop trying to help. *shrug*

Regards,
Nick

... He who laughs last, thinks slowest.
---
￭ Synchronet ￭ _thePharcyde telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin)
* Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (1:103/705)

David
SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 221/0
SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1 310/31
SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848 770/1 SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 10 5020/400

Hello MRO!

28 Nov 24 20:02, you wrote to Accession:

You can't fix moron either.

Re: Re: Newbie question
By: Accession to Digital Man on Thu Nov 28 2024 05:55 pm

Hello Digital,

On Thu, Nov 28 2024 13:16:46 -0600, you wrote ..

I'm not in any hurry to address this in SBBSecho. The problem is
with the originator's configuration: they need an origin line in
their echomail messages. It's a critical source of metadata (the
originator's address) in all echomail messages.

Understood and you know this, I know this, and others know this.
However, the half a dozen or more times the solution has been given
to the originator it has gone completely ignored. There's only so
much we can do. You can lead a horse to water etc etc. *shrug*

Well you can't fix stupid. You can't do a work around each time
someone does something stupid. Remember a while back a person wanted
DM to lock out new users from posting by default in the bbs software because there were a few spammers?

The best thing to do is warn the person, tell them to use a testing
area only, and if they won't abide, block them.
---
■ Synchronet ■ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
* Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (1:103/705)

David
SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 221/0
SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1 310/31
SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848 770/1 SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 10 5020/400

Hello MRO!

28 Nov 24 20:10, you wrote to Accession:

Re: Re: Newbie question
By: Accession to All on Thu Nov 28 2024 06:31 pm

No idea on the rest of his situation. He seems to be trying to
install 10 things at once and has none of them configured properly.
Then gets mad and defensive when people get frustrated trying to
help him and he doesn't listen, completely ignores, or doesn't
follow instructions very well at all.

Eventually, people will just stop trying to help. *shrug*

the reason why i think the domain he is using isnt his is because it's bbs.skynet.com. that domain is setup to direct to telesat.com. also
that domain goes back to 92. and there's no bbs.skynet.com subdomain. skynet.com COULD be his, but that would surprise me.

My opinion is this guy seems rushed and indecisive from what i've seen
on line. he should delete everything and then set it up again and only
use test areas.

Maybe I was here when you were drinking formula, but things change bro, and maybe just maybe there are people not that savvy as you are, but I won't start a war, so I'll just ignore this.

Maybe he shouldn't even BE a sysop, maybe just be a user.
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David
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Hello Wilfred!

29 Nov 24 11:17, you wrote to MRO:

It's worse having people an cmments like these dude, do you even think before you bash somebody.

All of thsi effort saying all these would'ver been better trying to help and not sayiong all of the shit you said.

Hi MRO,

On 2024-11-28 20:10:06, you wrote to Accession:

Maybe he shouldn't even BE a sysop, maybe just be a user.

It's worse:

Region,930,Colombia,Colombia,David_Gonzalez,-Unpublished-,33600,ICM,XA ,V34,IBN:bbs.skynetbbs.com ,1,Colombia,Colombia,Davia_Gonzalez,-Unpubl ished-,300,CM,XA,IBN:bbs.skynetbbs.com

Bye, Wilfred.

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Re: Newbie question
By: David Gonzalez to MRO on Sat Nov 30 2024 11:39 am

Hello MRO!

28 Nov 24 16:57, you wrote to Accession:

You should've asked me LoL

alright i'll ask. can't you set your shit up correctly?
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Why, you wonder? For exactly the reasons he stated above. You've been offered all kinds of help, and get mad at those who tried. One thing
that doesn't change though, is that you continue to have all kinds of problems with very basic things, and don't seem to want to listen or
<GASP> read some documenation. You seem to not make any progress on anything, and just keep adding more mis-configurations.

I suspect he can fix the SEEN BY thing but since it has bothered a lot of people he doesn't want to so that he can blame people for complaining
about it.

He got accepted to, and then quickly kicked out of, another network for
doing the same thing.


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Hello Dumas,

On Sun, Dec 01 2024 09:38:00 -0600, you wrote ..

I suspect he can fix the SEEN BY thing but since it has bothered a
lot of people he doesn't want to so that he can blame people for
complaining about it.

They seem to be fixed on the instance he currently posts with, according
to a few posts I just saw and replied to (one of them).

He got accepted to, and then quickly kicked out of, another network
for doing the same thing.

I imagine the learning curve for some, just coming around now, with no previous experience, and on a 30+ year old hobby that doesn't draw much attention any more is probably more difficult than any one of us that
have been doing it for years can assume. A little patience can go a long
way, I suppose.

I feel like he may have jumped into the deep end, by starting multiple tasks/fires all at the same time without any prior knowledge (even
including the operating system he chose to use). Only now is beginning
to focus on one thing at a time and get himself out of the mess he made
for himself. He'll figure it all out eventually.

Regards,
Nick

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Dumas Walker wrote to DAN CLOUGH <=-

Why, you wonder? For exactly the reasons he stated above. You've been offered all kinds of help, and get mad at those who tried. One thing
that doesn't change though, is that you continue to have all kinds of problems with very basic things, and don't seem to want to listen or
<GASP> read some documenation. You seem to not make any progress on anything, and just keep adding more mis-configurations.

I suspect he can fix the SEEN BY thing but since it has bothered a lot
of people he doesn't want to so that he can blame people for
complaining about it.

Probably right! From the minor attention I've paid to the
"conversation", it seems it may be a Golded issue. What I don't quite
get is why a n00b having basic configuration issues wants/needs to be
using Golded in the first place. Just another non-noob-friendly piece
of complication for no good reason. But OK...

He got accepted to, and then quickly kicked out of, another network for doing the same thing.

Yup, I saw that too.

It takes all kinds. Things might get boring otherwise. ;-)




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Re: Re: Newbie question
By: Accession to Dumas Walker on Sun Dec 01 2024 10:22 am

I imagine the learning curve for some, just coming around now, with no previous experience, and on a 30+ year old hobby that doesn't draw much attention any more is probably more difficult than any one of us that
have been doing it for years can assume. A little patience can go a long way, I suppose.

well i was always scared of making mistakes and flooding the msg networks.
I'd always tripple check my stuff and then i'd have bryan turner double check my work.

I feel like he may have jumped into the deep end, by starting multiple tasks/fires all at the same time without any prior knowledge (even
including the operating system he chose to use). Only now is beginning
to focus on one thing at a time and get himself out of the mess he made
for himself. He'll figure it all out eventually.

yeah it's a shit storm and when you do things that way and it's harder to use deductive reasoning to track down your issue(s).
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He got accepted to, and then quickly kicked out of, another network
for doing the same thing.

I imagine the learning curve for some, just coming around now, with no previous experience, and on a 30+ year old hobby that doesn't draw much attention any more is probably more difficult than any one of us that
have been doing it for years can assume. A little patience can go a long way, I suppose.

I agree and normally don't like to see newbies treated like they are dumb. In the case of the other network, however, he apparently gave the impression that he was a returning sysop who knew what he was doing and then apparently blamed the sysops of other network systems when he ran into problems.

Maybe they over-reacted and he is all right, but he does seem to be a little standoffish with the folks trying to help him here, too.

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Hello Dumas,

On Sun, Dec 01 2024 16:04:26 -0600, you wrote ..

I agree and normally don't like to see newbies treated like they are dumb. In
the case of the other network, however, he apparently gave the impression that
he was a returning sysop who knew what he was doing and then apparently blamed
the sysops of other network systems when he ran into problems.

Maybe they over-reacted and he is all right, but he does seem to be a little standoffish with the folks trying to help him here, too.

Currently, I'm trying to do the best I can in helping out. There could always be a point where I just decide to give up at no cost of my own, though. All depends on how the help is received, and if it does any actual good (if it's worth continuing). :)

Regards,
Nick

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