Hi Russell,

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On Sun 2037-Mar-08 21:00, Russell Tiedt (5:7105/1) wrote to Richard Webb:

True enough. AS Janis explains, bbbs seems to be rather
sticky about its interpretation of fidonet tech standards.
MEthinks it has to do more with the way squish handles
routing when used with static mailers such a binkley,
although I don't know what the heck it is. MEthinks that's
why Sean's nm to you is somewhere in limbo world as well
<g>.

BBBS is a good, package, just when I looked at it, I got the
impression, it was built for some other network, and FidoNet got
tacked on afterwards ...

DOn't know anything about it. I"ve been in the binkley
squish maximus world every since I first put a fido system
on.


I know when I was routing through Janis my routing line
would be such as ...

route normal NoArc 1:261/38 2:all 3:all 4:all 5:all ...

I never have problems routing mail through 3634/12, or r19
mail through rc19 but Janis' system every once in awhile
bounces nm complaining. <hmmmm>

I'm linked to both fido_sysop and fn_sysop. Also, since
this is essentially an argument between squish and bbbs
which causes the problem tub might be appropriate as well.
Seems to be that imho anyway.

I am connected to all of those ...

AS you notice I moved this thread to this echo. Maybe
somebody else has some comments here re: squish arguing with bbbs when bbbs is used to route mail for a squish system.

Regards,
Richard
--- timEd 1.10.y2k+
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Hello Richard.

08 Mar 09 22:03, you wrote to me:

BBBS is a good, package, just when I looked at it, I got the
impression, it was built for some other network, and FidoNet got
tacked on afterwards ...

DOn't know anything about it. I"ve been in the binkley
squish maximus world every since I first put a fido system
on.

So was I, that is, till, I moved to Linux, and then there was only the Husky utils, which work well (use Squish Msgbase), MBSE BBS, and BBBS that where my final choices, Husky does not have a BBS, BBBS, was well, just a too darn different to Binkley/Max/Squish, and well that left me MBSE BBS, which uses a JAM msgbase ..., but otherwise works very well, and also has everything required built in, Husky also works well as a mail only system, i.e. no BBS, with BinkleyTerm and BinkD

MBSE might use a JAM base, but runs a BSO outbound ...

I know when I was routing through Janis my routing line
would be such as ...

route normal NoArc 1:261/38 2:all 3:all 4:all 5:all ...

That would be what I expect, but, Janis says BBBS wants routing instructions along with the netmail in a seperate message, if I understand her correctly.

With Squish, when it tosses messages, it checks the address of the message, with the routing table, if the routing table says the mail is local, it gets tossed to the local msgbase, if it is not for the system, it get routed according to the routing table and goes out with the next connect to the uplink ...

I am connected to all of those ...

AS you notice I moved this thread to this echo. Maybe
somebody else has some comments here re: squish arguing with bbbs when bbbs is used to route mail for a squish system.

I hope so as well, as I wouldn't mind a little "enlightenment" ... , but if at all possible, might be better to not route netmail thru Janis until the problem is understood better by the Squish users.

Russell

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Hi, Richard-

AS you notice I moved this thread to this echo. Maybe
somebody else has some comments here re: squish arguing
with bbbs when bbbs is used to route mail for a squish
system.

I've not had any problems with Janis's system (she's my direct uplink) with netmail...I was having problems with netmail due to other misconfiguration issues of my own system, but not with hers.

I use the same Route line as you sans the NoArc command.

For Janis's system:
Route Hold 1:261/38 1:All 2:All 3:All 4:All 5:All 6:All

I don't allow files via netmail since I'm using routed netmail, but once I get dialup going, I may allow it for crashmail.

Later,
Sean

--- Maximus/2 3.01
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Hello Sean.

09 Mar 09 12:43, you wrote to Richard Webb:

I've not had any problems with Janis's system (she's my direct uplink) with netmail...I was having problems with netmail due to other misconfiguration issues of my own system, but not with hers.

I use the same Route line as you sans the NoArc command.

For Janis's system:
Route Hold 1:261/38 1:All 2:All 3:All 4:All 5:All 6:All

I don't allow files via netmail since I'm using routed netmail, but
once I get dialup going, I may allow it for crashmail.

Would it be likely that Janis'es system, has a preference for arc'ed netmail, rather than not arc'ed netmail?

Russell

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5
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Hello, Russell.

Monday March 09 2009 at 19:24, you wrote to me:

Would it be likely that Janis'es system, has a preference for arc'ed netmail, rather than not arc'ed netmail?

Probably-in the ten-plus years that I've been running a BBS, I have never used uncompressed mail...

Later,
Sean

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Hello, Russell.

Monday March 09 2009 at 18:12, you wrote to Richard Webb:

I hope so as well, as I wouldn't mind a little "enlightenment" ... ,
but if at all possible, might be better to not route netmail thru
Janis until the problem is understood better by the Squish users.

I'd recommend asking Janis directly, but I've never had a system require uncompressed mail of any type (only certain utilities, but that can be fixed using a batch file).

Later,
Sean

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HI RUssell,

On Mon 2037-Mar-09 18:12, Russell Tiedt (5:7105/1) wrote to Richard Webb:

DOn't know anything about it. I've been in the binkley
squish maximus world every since I first put a fido system
on.

So was I, that is, till, I moved to Linux, and then there was only
the Husky utils, which work well (use Squish Msgbase), MBSE BBS,
and BBBS that where my final choices, Husky does not have a BBS,
BBBS, was well, just a too darn different to Binkley/Max/Squish,
and well that left me MBSE BBS, which uses a JAM msgbase ..., but otherwise works very well, and also has everything required built
in, Husky also works well as a mail only system, i.e. no BBS, with BinkleyTerm and BinkD

MIght look at that, when we finally do the dsl thing here.
WIll do smoothwall on the main connected box, but sitll have to figure some things out to get old blind man's familiar
screenreader on one box.

I know when I was routing through Janis my routing line
would be such as ...

route normal NoArc 1:261/38 2:all 3:all 4:all 5:all ...

That would be what I expect, but, Janis says BBBS wants routing instructions along with the netmail in a seperate message, if I
understand her correctly.

Hmmm that's a new one on me, don't know how that's supposed
to work.

With Squish, when it tosses messages, it checks the address of the message, with the routing table, if the routing table says the mail
is local, it gets tossed to the local msgbase, if it is not for the system, it get routed according to the routing table and goes out
with the next connect to the uplink ...

sounds right. I have squish kill passing through mail in
transit also.

AS you notice I moved this thread to this echo. Maybe
somebody else has some comments here re: squish arguing with bbbs when bbbs is used to route mail for a squish system.

I hope so as well, as I wouldn't mind a little "enlightenment" ... ,
but if at all possible, might be better to not route netmail thru
Janis until the problem is understood better by the Squish users.

Would agree. I"m not sure what it's story is, but my
routing works well enough through 3634/12.
THe strange part is my z1 routing seems to work alright
through her system. <go figure>. Anybody lurking around
here shed some light on all this?


Regards,
Richard
--- timEd 1.10.y2k+
* Origin: Radio REscue net operations BBS (1:116/901)

HI SEan,

On Mon 2037-Mar-09 12:43, Sean Dennis (1:18/200) wrote to Richard Webb:

I've not had any problems with Janis's system (she's my direct
uplink) with netmail...I was having problems with netmail due to
other misconfiguration issues of my own system, but not with hers.

I use the same Route line as you sans the NoArc command.

For Janis's system:
Route Hold 1:261/38 1:All 2:All 3:All 4:All 5:All 6:All

<hmmmm> I"d have to change that to crash since I poll her
once dailoy. Might do some testing on that see if this
makes bbbs any happier. Maybe it's the fact that if routed
mails are in an arcmail bundle her system extrapolates what
to do with them, whereas if they're not ...

YOu might be onto something there.

But then ... there's your nm to RUssell which fell into the
hole. Have you tried sending him another nm via that path?
AS I noted, my z1 netmails routed through her seemed to all
make it to destination <g> I was routing throug h her for
z1 when my primary link was down for a few days last summer.




Regards,
Richard
--- timEd 1.10.y2k+
* Origin: Radio REscue net operations BBS (1:116/901)

Hello Sean.

09 Mar 09 16:21, you wrote to me:

Would it be likely that Janis'es system, has a preference for
arc'ed netmail, rather than not arc'ed netmail?

Probably-in the ten-plus years that I've been running a BBS, I have
never used uncompressed mail...

All packets here, are uncompressed, BinkP used here does better compression than ZIP on the fly, with systems that support it ...

Russell

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5
* Origin: Rusty's BBS - Bloemfontein, Free State, South Africa (5:7105/1)

Hello Sean.

09 Mar 09 16:22, you wrote to me:

I hope so as well, as I wouldn't mind a little "enlightenment"
... , but if at all possible, might be better to not route
netmail thru Janis until the problem is understood better by the
Squish users.

I'd recommend asking Janis directly, but I've never had a system
require uncompressed mail of any type (only certain utilities, but
that can be fixed using a batch file).

I don't know of any either that require it, just that the only difference that I noticed between your and Richards settings was compression related ... <shrug> , I just don't know ...

Russell

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5
* Origin: Rusty's BBS - Bloemfontein, Free State, South Africa (5:7105/1)

Hello Richard.

09 Mar 09 19:18, you wrote to me:

MIght look at that, when we finally do the dsl thing here.
WIll do smoothwall on the main connected box, but sitll have to figure some things out to get old blind man's familiar screenreader on one
box.

You can use TimEd, Squish, BinkleyTerm and BinkD as a mail only system as well, and as you are already familiar with them, no need to move to Husky, and MBSE BBS only runs on Linux/FreeBSD/OpenBSD and possibly MAC OS/X

That would be what I expect, but, Janis says BBBS wants routing
instructions along with the netmail in a seperate message, if I
understand her correctly.

Hmmm that's a new one on me, don't know how that's supposed
to work.

Niether do I, was going to ask, but something came along and I never got that far ...

With Squish, when it tosses messages, it checks the address of
the message, with the routing table, if the routing table says
the mail is local, it gets tossed to the local msgbase, if it is
not for the system, it get routed according to the routing table
and goes out with the next connect to the uplink ...

sounds right. I have squish kill passing through mail in
transit also.

Might I ask why you kill mail passing thru ... ?

I hope so as well, as I wouldn't mind a little "enlightenment" ...
, but if at all possible, might be better to not route netmail
thru Janis until the problem is understood better by the Squish
users.

Would agree. I"m not sure what it's story is, but my
routing works well enough through 3634/12.
THe strange part is my z1 routing seems to work alright
through her system. <go figure>. Anybody lurking around
here shed some light on all this?

Sorry, no idea ... :-((

Russell

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5
* Origin: Rusty's BBS - Bloemfontein, Free State, South Africa (5:7105/1)

HI RUssell,

On Tue 2037-Mar-10 18:48, Russell Tiedt (5:7105/1) wrote to Richard Webb:

09 Mar 09 19:18, you wrote to me:

MIght look at that, when we finally do the dsl thing here.
WIll do smoothwall on the main connected box, but sitll have to figure some things out to get old blind man's familiar screenreader on one
box.

You can use TimEd, Squish, BinkleyTerm and BinkD as a mail only
system as well, and as you are already familiar with them, no need
to move to Husky, and MBSE BBS only runs on Linux/FreeBSD/OpenBSD
and possibly MAC OS/X

YEp, thinking about that too. FInding a compatible network
card though allowing me to keep my dos screen reader that I
like is the kicker, that is until I get a serial port speech box. THat one's down the road, first I"ve got some audio
tech issues to grappe with in my remote audio truck then
we'll worry about network upgrades. tHIs economy going in
the tank has bit me in the nether regions real hard right
now.

<snippage>

With Squish, when it tosses messages, it checks the address of
the message, with the routing table, if the routing table says
the mail is local, it gets tossed to the local msgbase, if it is
not for the system, it get routed according to the routing table
and goes out with the next connect to the uplink ...

sounds right. I have squish kill passing through mail in
transit also.

Might I ask why you kill mail passing thru ... ?

Old habit from when I was busy southeast IOwa hub back in
the '90's. OF course I had a log of message headers, which
was all I needed. IN those days hard drive real estate was at a premium and it's just a setting I enabled in my ocnfig
file because I always did.

I hope so as well, as I wouldn't mind a little "enlightenment" ...
, but if at all possible, might be better to not route netmail
thru Janis until the problem is understood better by the Squish
users.

Would agree. I"m not sure what it's story is, but my
routing works well enough through 3634/12.
THe strange part is my z1 routing seems to work alright
through her system. <go figure>. Anybody lurking around
here shed some light on all this?

Sorry, no idea ... :-((

I think Sean hit it for us. IF you compress your netmail
your route through a bbbs system it doesn't argue. <hmmmm>
At least, that's my preliminary diagnosis.
I"ll have to remember to switch things around in routing
control and send you a nm through her system just to test
drive it. YEt I hate to "fix" what ain't broke <g>.

Regards,
Richard
--- timEd 1.10.y2k+
* Origin: Radio REscue net operations BBS (1:116/901)

Hello Richard.

11 Mar 09 14:29, you wrote to me:

You can use TimEd, Squish, BinkleyTerm and BinkD as a mail only
system as well, and as you are already familiar with them, no
need to move to Husky, and MBSE BBS only runs on
Linux/FreeBSD/OpenBSD and possibly MAC OS/X

YEp, thinking about that too. FInding a compatible network
card though allowing me to keep my dos screen reader that I
like is the kicker, that is until I get a serial port speech box.
THat one's down the road, first I"ve got some audio tech issues to
grappe with in my remote audio truck then we'll worry about network upgrades. tHIs economy going in the tank has bit me in the nether regions real hard right now.

DOS, is bit problematic when it comes to networking, and the economic situation, and the greedy buggers who dumped us in it, the less said the better ... , not to mention those living on credit ...

Might I ask why you kill mail passing thru ... ?

Old habit from when I was busy southeast IOwa hub back in
the '90's. OF course I had a log of message headers, which
was all I needed. IN those days hard drive real estate was at a
premium and it's just a setting I enabled in my ocnfig file because I always did.

Well, it only stays on your HDD as long as it takes to the next poll, that sends it on it's way ... , but okay ...

I think Sean hit it for us. IF you compress your netmail
your route through a bbbs system it doesn't argue. <hmmmm>
At least, that's my preliminary diagnosis.
I"ll have to remember to switch things around in routing
control and send you a nm through her system just to test
drive it. YEt I hate to "fix" what ain't broke <g>.

Well if it is not working, then it is broke, the problem is where is it broke, and why, ... :-(

Russell

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5
* Origin: Rusty's BBS - Bloemfontein, Free State, South Africa (5:7105/1)

HI RUssell,

On Sat 2037-Mar-14 19:24, Russell Tiedt (5:7105/1) wrote to Richard Webb:

YEp, thinking about that too. FInding a compatible network
card though allowing me to keep my dos screen reader that I
like is the kicker, that is until I get a serial port speech box.
THat one's down the road, first I"ve got some audio tech issues to
grappe with in my remote audio truck then we'll worry about network upgrades. This economy going in the tank has bit me in the nether regions real hard right now.

DOS, is bit problematic when it comes to networking, and the
economic situation, and the greedy buggers who dumped us in it, the
less said the better ... , not to mention those living on credit
...

Yup, but I've written a lot of stuff I use every day for ham radio stuff for it. MIght also put a speaking ver of
slackware on a machine around here as well, but one or the
other has to happen first. WIfe isn't savvy enough to do
what needs to happen to keep systems running.

Might I ask why you kill mail passing thru ... ?

Old habit from when I was busy southeast IOwa hub back in
the '90's.

<snip>

Well, it only stays on your HDD as long as it takes to the next
poll, that sends it on it's way ... , but okay ...

Of course, it just doesn't stay in my message bases after
export. STill goes on its way, but doesn't sit in my
message bases.

<snip again>

I'll have to remember to switch things around in routing
control and send you a nm through her system just to test
drive it. YEt I hate to "fix" what ain't broke <g>.

Well if it is not working, then it is broke, the problem is where is
it broke, and why, ... :-(

True, and nothing is broke here at the moment, at least for
nm the way I'm routing it now <g>. HOWever I think SEan has pointed me toward the answer to that riddle.

Regards,
Richard
--- timEd 1.10.y2k+
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Hello Russell!

Tuesday March 10 2009 18:40, Russell Tiedt wrote to Sean Dennis:

All packets here, are uncompressed, BinkP used here does better compression than ZIP on the fly, with systems that support it ...

Is this the internal BinkP support in MBSE?

Andrew

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Hello Andrew.

06 Apr 09 21:37, you wrote to me:

All packets here, are uncompressed, BinkP used here does better
compression than ZIP on the fly, with systems that support it ...

Is this the internal BinkP support in MBSE?

BinkD does BZ2/Gzip, so does MBSE BBS, Taurus has it's own version, which MBSE BBS also supports ...

Russell

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5
* Origin: Rusty's BBS - Bloemfontein, Free State, South Africa (5:7105/1)

Hello Russell.

27 Jun 09 20:33, you wrote to me:

Is this the internal BinkP support in MBSE?

BinkD does BZ2/Gzip, so does MBSE BBS, Taurus has it's own version,
which MBSE BBS also supports ...

Good; another reason to move my primary mail ops to MBSE. The recent OS/2 versions of BinkD don't support compression anymore... :-( The last version that did is from back in 2005.

Andrew

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20070503
* Origin: Phoenix BBS * phxbbs.dyndns.org (1:320/219)

Hello Andrew.

28 Jun 09 20:42, you wrote to me:

Is this the internal BinkP support in MBSE?

BinkD does BZ2/Gzip, so does MBSE BBS, Taurus has it's own
version, which MBSE BBS also supports ...

Good; another reason to move my primary mail ops to MBSE. The recent
OS/2 versions of BinkD don't support compression anymore... :-( The
last version that did is from back in 2005.

On linux, I think MBSE BBS is best choice, if you NEED a BBS, otherwise the Husky Project works very well here for mail only systems, or points ...

Russell

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5
* Origin: Rusty's BBS - Bloemfontein, Free State, South Africa (5:7105/1)

Hello Sean.

09 Mar 09 12:43, you wrote to Richard Webb:

For Janis's system:
Route Hold 1:261/38 1:All 2:All 3:All 4:All 5:All 6:All

there is no zone 6, only on facebook :)


Benny

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5
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Hello, Benny.

Replying to a message of Benny Pedersen to Sean Dennis:

there is no zone 6, only on facebook :)

There's actually a zone 7 too, but it's just a place holder. I do zones 1-6 just by default.

Later,
Sean

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--- FleetStreet 1.27.1
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