How do I pass a BBS caller from an external mailer (eg.
Frontdoor / BinkleyTerm) to Wildcat v5.00 ?

(From what I see there is no "wildcat.exe /b").
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5
* Origin: Fido Since 1991 | QWK by Web | BBS.FIDOSYSOP.ORG (1:123/140)

On 16 Feb 2021, MARCELINE JONES said the following...

How do I pass a BBS caller from an external mailer (eg.
Frontdoor / BinkleyTerm) to Wildcat v5.00 ?

Ummmm, not frontdoor because it's a DOS based mailer... BUT I'm sure you an with Windows based mailers...

I use to go from BGFax Win32 to WC5 back in the day... I bet some answers could be in a BGFax doc because the transfer of a call from that program should be no different. You just can't mix DOS with windows stuff...

An other thought... did you know Digital Man, of SynchroNET fame, wrote a small app called SexPOTS, I think, and what it does is takes a call, itself, or can take a hot call passed by a mailer... and send that call via telnet to whatever address you want the call.

BTW, I know it's your money... but for a 100 bucks you can get the mailer and echomail tosser companion for the BBS package. Santronics has a sale every now and then and mark down the prices ...

Anyway, Look at the BGFax docs and see how they did it, I did it 25 years ago so I know it can be done... Look at SexPOTS and Bink Win/32 as a possible solution... Or spend the 100 bucks and get a complete package... If you were going to spend the money call Andrea today and say that I heard that hobbyist sysops are getting a deal on PXW is that true?? See what she says. We're all just Whores in need of money

Good Luck

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's BBS
-=JoesBBS.com=-

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)

you dont, you'd need platinum express for windows
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v7.0
* Origin: EMS!BBS - FIDOnet - 3:640/1115 www.ems-bbs.com (3:640/1115)

you dont, you'd need platinum express for windows

Is there any other way to get FTN mail to/from WC5 without using
Platinum Xpress ?
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5
* Origin: Fido Since 1991 | QWK by Web | BBS.FIDOSYSOP.ORG (1:123/140)

On 16 Feb 2021, MARCELINE JONES said the following...

How do I pass a BBS caller from an external mailer (eg.
Frontdoor / BinkleyTerm) to Wildcat v5.00 ?

Ummmm, not frontdoor because it's a DOS based mailer... BUT I'm sure you an with Windows based mailers...

I use to go from BGFax Win32 to WC5 back in the day... I bet some answers could
be in a BGFax doc because the transfer of a call from that program should be no
different. You just can't mix DOS with windows stuff...

Thanks, I will check the documetnation for BGFax.

An other thought... did you know Digital Man, of SynchroNET fame, wrote a small
app called SexPOTS, I think, and what it does is takes a call, itself, or can
take a hot call passed by a mailer... and send that call via telnet to whatever
address you want the call.

I am using a virtual modem (COM/IP and NetSerial) so I am hoping to do
it with as few interoperability layers as possible.

BTW, I know it's your money... but for a 100 bucks you can get the mailer and
echomail tosser companion for the BBS package. Santronics has a sale every now
and then and mark down the prices ...

I'd prefer not to spend any money.

Anyway, Look at the BGFax docs and see how they did it, I did it 25 years ago
so I know it can be done... Look at SexPOTS and Bink Win/32 as a possible solution... Or spend the 100 bucks and get a complete package... If you were
going to spend the money call Andrea today and say that I heard that hobbyist
sysops are getting a deal on PXW is that true?? See what she says. We're all
just Whores in need of money

Who is Andrea ?
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5
* Origin: Fido Since 1991 | QWK by Web | BBS.FIDOSYSOP.ORG (1:123/140)

On 17 Feb 2021, MARCELINE JONES said the following...

Thanks, I will check the documetnation for BGFax.

Anyway... I think there was a thing called a shim that worked with Binkley...

I am using a virtual modem (COM/IP and NetSerial) so I am hoping to do
it with as few interoperability layers as possible.

Okay, now I have questions... Why do want a mailer?? Because you have a dial up line and you want to pass that caller to your BBS?? Because if you have a dial up line and that is what you are trying to do then you can use Binkley Win/32, or any native Win/32 app coupled with SexPOTS and you can forward them to the BBS easier than any other work around.

If your goal is top pass fidonet style mail and files around there are easy and cheap solutions.... Internet Rex, what I use, and BinkP... Internet rex allows up to 3 uplinks if unregistered, where as BinkP is public domain and is maintained and developed as needed .... Ohhhhh, sorry I forgot about the mailer D'Bridge. The DOS mailer with BinkP attached to it. You can configure the BinkP part to send your mailer around. At some point the author Nick Andre said he's working on a multi platform port.

I'd prefer not to spend any money.
Who is Andrea ?

Andrea is Hector's wife... Hector being the author of WC5 AKA WINServer..
She is the one that usually takes your money

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's BBS
-=JoesBBS.com=-

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)

On 17 Feb 2021, MARCELINE JONES said the following...

I am using a virtual modem (COM/IP and NetSerial) so I am hoping to do
it with as few interoperability layers as possible.

I have more questions now... that I think about it. I gave you a free Binkley Term & SexPOTS way of passing a user in a dial up situation... If you're just wanting to pass mail around over the net... Here U go... free as well...

Your callers call in via telnet port 23, or what ever port you want... and your mailer is listens on a different port and only accepts mail, like port 5555, or whatever. You can use NetSerial and Binkley to do that.

For example, and I haven't fully worked out the glitches, I have a 12 Node version of WINSerer. With the use of NetSerial node number 1 is a dedicated mailer server/node that listens on a non-public port number. Where as nodes 2-12 are listening on a port that I have made public. I use WINServer, NetSerial & Platinum Express to accomplish this.

You could run WINServer for your BBS callers and Binkley term and NetSerial as a dedicated mail system that listens on it's own port just to deal with mail only...

There U go...

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's BBS
-=JoesBBS.com=-

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)

How do I pass a BBS caller from an external mailer (eg.
Frontdoor / BinkleyTerm) to Wildcat v5.00 ?

(From what I see there is no "wildcat.exe /b").
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5
* Origin: Fido Since 1991 | QWK by Web | BBS.FIDOSYSOP.ORG

(1:123/140)

You can't from a regular front end mailer. The only front end mailer
that can accept calls (using NetSerial) is Platinum Xpress for Windows.

... Damn it Jim! It's one of Gary's Taglines!
--- Wildcat! v7.0.454.5 (May 15 2016), Editor Mod v2.1
* Origin: Omicron Theta * Southaven MS * winserver.org (1:116/18)

you dont, you'd need platinum express for windows

Is there any other way to get FTN mail to/from WC5 without using
Platinum Xpress ?
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5
* Origin: Fido Since 1991 | QWK by Web | BBS.FIDOSYSOP.ORG

(1:123/140)

Not the correct way, no.

... You want to REALLY add to your Taglines? Swipe an entire CONFERENCE!
--- Wildcat! v7.0.454.5 (May 15 2016), Editor Mod v2.1
* Origin: Omicron Theta * Southaven MS * winserver.org (1:116/18)

I'd prefer not to spend any money.

They you don't need to be running WINServer.

sysops are getting a deal on PXW is that true?? See what she says. We'r

all

just Whores in need of money

Who is Andrea ?

She runs the sales department at Santronics Software.

... TagRule #5 There are no rules when it comes to using Taglines.
--- Wildcat! v7.0.454.5 (May 15 2016), Editor Mod v2.1
* Origin: Omicron Theta * Southaven MS * winserver.org (1:116/18)

Quoting Ib Joe to Marceline Jones <=-

Anyway... I think there was a thing called a shim that worked with Binkley...

I am using a virtual modem (COM/IP and NetSerial) so I am hoping to do
it with as few interoperability layers as possible.

Okay, now I have questions... Why do want a mailer?? Because you have
a dial up line and you want to pass that caller to your BBS?? Because
if you have a dial up line and that is what you are trying to do then
you can use Binkley Win/32, or any native Win/32 app coupled with
SexPOTS and you can forward them to the BBS easier than any other
work around.

I currently do not understand how WC5 can receive a call from an external mailer if there is no command on the WC5 side to receive a live connection. In previous versions of Wildcat the "wildcat.exe" command supported the "/B <baud>" switch to pass a live connection to the BBS.

If your goal is top pass fidonet style mail and files around there are easy and cheap solutions.... Internet Rex, what I use, and BinkP... Internet rex allows up to 3 uplinks if unregistered, where as BinkP is public domain and is maintained and developed as needed .... Ohhhhh,
sorry I forgot about the mailer D'Bridge. The DOS mailer with BinkP attached to it. You can configure the BinkP part to send your mailer around. At some point the author Nick Andre said he's working on a
multi platform port.

Can I scan new messages from WC5 to Internet Rex, BinkD or D'Bridge ? if so, then what tools do I need to do it ?

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

Quoting Robert Wolfe to Marceline Jones <=-

You can't from a regular front end mailer. The only front end mailer that can accept calls (using NetSerial) is Platinum Xpress for
Windows.

What non-NetSerial frontend mailers can I use (apart from Platinum Xpress) ?

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

Quoting Robert Wolfe to Marceline Jones <=-

you dont, you'd need platinum express for windows

Is there any other way to get FTN mail to/from WC5 without using
Platinum Xpress ?

Not the correct way, no.

I want to get my WC5 BBS connected to Fidonet.

What workarounds are available to toss / scan mail between WC5 message areas and a non-Platinum Xpress mailer ?

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

Quoting Robert Wolfe to Marceline Jones <=-

I'd prefer not to spend any money.

They you don't need to be running WINServer.

I am not using WINServer. I am using Wildcat! v5.00 for Win95/NT. Since I already have Wildcat, I want to use what I got.

Who is Andrea ?

She runs the sales department at Santronics Software.

I heard Quintus Corp acquired Mustang SI for $290m in 2000.

Does that mean Andrea is a squillionare ?

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

Quoting Scott Labrecque to Marceline Jones <=-

you dont, you'd need platinum express for windows

Does Platinum Xpress work with Wildcat! v5.00 for Win95/NT ?

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

Quoting Robert Wolfe to Marceline Jones <=-

You can't from a regular front end mailer. The only front end mailer that can accept calls (using NetSerial) is Platinum Xpress for
Windows.

What non-NetSerial frontend mailers can I use (apart from Platinum Xpress) ?

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

Quoting Robert Wolfe to Marceline Jones <=-

you dont, you'd need platinum express for windows

Is there any other way to get FTN mail to/from WC5 without using
Platinum Xpress ?

Not the correct way, no.

I want to get my WC5 BBS connected to Fidonet.

What workarounds are available to toss / scan mail between WC5 message areas and a non-Platinum Xpress mailer ?

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

Quoting Robert Wolfe to Marceline Jones <=-

I'd prefer not to spend any money.

They you don't need to be running WINServer.

I am not using WINServer. I am using Wildcat! v5.00 for Win95/NT. Since I already have Wildcat, I want to use what I got.

Who is Andrea ?

She runs the sales department at Santronics Software.

I heard Quintus Corp acquired Mustang SI for $290m in 2000.

Does that mean Andrea is a squillionare ?

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

Quoting Scott Labrecque to Marceline Jones <=-

you dont, you'd need platinum express for windows

Does Platinum Xpress work with Wildcat! v5.00 for Win95/NT ?

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

On 19 Feb 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...

I currently do not understand how WC5 can receive a call from an external mailer if there is no command on the WC5 side to receive a live connection. In previous versions of Wildcat the "wildcat.exe" command supported the "/B <baud>" switch to pass a live connection to the BBS.

I just want to clarify WC5, the old version number and name for the current WINServer... It is a windows 32bit program and needs to run with other 32bit mailer programs.

WC5 AKA Winserver readily answers a modem caller... Does not need a mailer or any software... it has it built in. The program that starts the BBS to accept any calls is called wcOnline.exe. Once that is started, assuming you've configured things right, the BBS will accept HTTP, FTP, Telnet & Modem period. For the most part this should look and fee the same way for all versions... There has been changes since 1990 (Whatever) when WC5 came out... but what I just wrote should be what you should expect from WC5/WINServer...

NOW, the wildcat.exe sounds like the DOS version of wildcat. I have been around since day 1 of WC5 project, I have the current version of WINServer and run it, it is not the same as the as the DOS version.

If it is true that you have the DOS version... you can use any DOS Mailer you want... Frontdoor, Intermail, Binkley... Bla Bla Bla. What you need is the command line for your batch file to pull up the BBS after the mailer passes the user the BBS. This is a different question and it probably can be answered here... If you want me to answer the question I'll have to download the DOS version and read the docs... I can and will if I have to....

NOW, I'm sorry if you own the current version of Wildcat... the windows 32bit version... it runs differently... wcOnline.exe and my mailer pxOnline.exe (Platinum Express) run at the same time... in different windows and a human caller is passed directly to the BBS without any SysOp intervention... seamless easy as pi.

So, is there a way to pass a human caller, I'm a summing it's a dial up line with a physical modem... The Windows version... YES... Use any windows mailer, Binkley has one... AND use a program called SexPOTS.exe and you can have people dial in via modem and it'll be passed to your BBS via telnet. This is the simplest, easiest and it's free.

Now, as I said, I have been around since day 1 of WC5, not WC4, I have seen a few things. I have talked about BGFax running as a frontend to WC5... I used it and it worked fine. It's been 25 years and I don't recall how it did it but all I know was that it was easy. Moreover, I was on the beta team for InterMail and they were working on a mailer that compatible with WC5 but it never made it into production... The author, Peter, went MIA...

Anyway... to be honest with you... if you have WC5/WINServer just spend the money and get its partner Platinum Express... it sells for a 100 bucks and it might be the best 100 you spent... Hand in glove works perfect... BUT even if you had those 2 programs you might need an other... BinkP or Internet Rex.

Because most mail and files are sent around through the internet now and these are internet "Mailers"

Can I scan new messages from WC5 to Internet Rex, BinkD or D'Bridge ? if so, then what tools do I need to do it ?

Apparently not.... and I wrote all that stuff.... SHIT... in my Platinum Express directory is an exe called pxmail.exe that you can run in a batch file and it'll toss and import your fidonet mail.... and I can only assume that it's looking at your PXW setup to know how things are configured.

I know of not shareware mail tosser for WC5/WINServer... ergo, we are back to you having to talk with Andrea... I would suggest saying Joe from Fidonet said they are giving deals to hobbyist ...

If you have the DOS version... Ignore almost everything I said because there are mail tossers out there... mailers and everything you need to be operational.

Feel free to call me...

Canada: 587-983-5579
USA: 352-397-0212

I refuse to delete this message after writing it... call me... we'll figure out what version you have and then figure out the solution...

Your humble servant

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's BBS
-=JoesBBS.com=-

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)

On 19 Feb 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...

Can I scan new messages from WC5 to Internet Rex, BinkD or D'Bridge ? if so, then what tools do I need to do it ?

Great news... I logged onto Santronics BBS and found a program you can use... It's called Kitty Mail. KM1P14.ZIP. I'll put it on my BBS for you to download if you want. From what I can see it'll scan and toss your fidonet mail. From what I can see there are some config files for Binkley... ergo... All you need is the is the windows version of BinkP... It should work with others such as InterNET Rex or D'bridge... But they have the config files for a Binkley style mailer...

Ur good to go!!! I do not know anything about this software... I just know that if it works it's the missing link...

One question.... and I'm not trying to talk you out of anything... your version of WildCat is not supported... There are 2 other BBS packages out there, Synchronet & Mystic BBS that come absolutely complete... Everything needed and more... and they are currently under development and free... and supported...

I am writing you with Mystic BBS but I have used and love using Synchronet..

Anyway, just saying. I'll upload said file to my BBS if you want it grab it.

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's BBS
-=JoesBBS.com=-

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)

I currently do not understand how WC5 can receive a call from an external mailer if there is no command on the WC5 side to receive a live connection. In previous versions of Wildcat the "wildcat.exe" command supported the "/B <baud>" switch to pass a live connection to the BBS.

I just want to clarify WC5, the old version number and name for the current WINServer... It is a windows 32bit program and needs to run
with other 32bit mailer programs.

I understand that my version of WC5 is a Windows 32-bit GUI application. However my version is apparently not WINServer (as detailed in its connection banner). (Notice from the following banners that one says WINServer and the other does not).

My banner:

==================================================
Wildcat! for Win95/NT (c) 1995,96 Mustang Software, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Registration number: 00-0000. v5.00. Node: 1. ==================================================

Wildcat 5.3:

==================================================
Wildcat! Interactive Net Server (c) 1999 Santronics Software, Inc.
Registration number: 00-0000 v5.3.449 (Apr 26 2000) Node: 1 ==================================================

WC5 AKA Winserver readily answers a modem caller... Does not need a
mailer or any software... it has it built in. The program that starts
the BBS to accept any calls is called wcOnline.exe. Once that is started, assuming you've configured things right, the BBS will accept HTTP, FTP, Telnet & Modem period. For the most part this should look
and fee the same way for all versions... There has been changes since
1990 (Whatever) when WC5 came out... but what I just wrote should be
what you should expect from WC5/WINServer...

Wildcat version 5.00 does not come with HTTP or FTP (these were add-on products that needed to be purchased separately). I understand that wcOnline handles connections between callers and wcServer. But unlike a lot of DOS BBS's, WC5 does not have an option to load an active connection (high carrier) into the BBS from the command line.

NOW, the wildcat.exe sounds like the DOS version of wildcat. I have
been around since day 1 of WC5 project, I have the current version of WINServer and run it, it is not the same as the as the DOS version.
If it is true that you have the DOS version... you can use any DOS
Mailer you want... Frontdoor, Intermail, Binkley... Bla Bla Bla. What
you need is the command line for your batch file to pull up the BBS
after the mailer passes the user the BBS. This is a different
question and it probably can be answered here... If you want me to
answer the question I'll have to download the DOS version and read the docs... I can and will if I have to....

I have both DOS and Windows versions (WC4 and WC5).

If an external mailer like Frontdoor can exit without dropping carrier, and then SexPOTS can pickup and resume carrier and forward the connection on to WC5, then SexPOTS sounds like it might work.

NOW, I'm sorry if you own the current version of Wildcat... the
windows 32bit version... it runs differently... wcOnline.exe and my
mailer pxOnline.exe (Platinum Express) run at the same time... in different windows and a human caller is passed directly to the BBS
without any SysOp intervention... seamless easy as pi.
So, is there a way to pass a human caller, I'm a summing it's a dial
up line with a physical modem... The Windows version... YES... Use any windows mailer, Binkley has one... AND use a program called
SexPOTS.exe and you can have people dial in via modem and it'll be
passed to your BBS via telnet. This is the simplest, easiest and it's free.

Does SexPOTS work with virtual modems (eg. an inbound call via TCP/IP) ?

Now, as I said, I have been around since day 1 of WC5, not WC4, I have
seen a few things. I have talked about BGFax running as a frontend to WC5... I used it and it worked fine. It's been 25 years and I don't recall how it did it but all I know was that it was easy. Moreover, I
was on the beta team for InterMail and they were working on a mailer
that compatible with WC5 but it never made it into production... The author, Peter, went MIA...

Is InterMail a Frontdoor clone ? (it looks like a lot like Frontdoor).

Anyway... to be honest with you... if you have WC5/WINServer just
spend the money and get its partner Platinum Express... it sells for a
100 bucks and it might be the best 100 you spent... Hand in glove
works perfect... BUT even if you had those 2 programs you might need
an other... BinkP or Internet Rex.

Does Platinum Xpress support BinkP ?

Apparently not.... and I wrote all that stuff.... SHIT... in my
Platinum Express directory is an exe called pxmail.exe that you can
run in a batch file and it'll toss and import your fidonet mail....
and I can only assume that it's looking at your PXW setup to know how things are configured.

If "pxmail.exe" only works with Platinum Xpress then it is no good to me.

Great news... I logged onto Santronics BBS and found a program you can use... It's called Kitty Mail. KM1P14.ZIP. I'll put it on my BBS for
you to download if you want. From what I can see it'll scan and toss
your fidonet mail. From what I can see there are some config files
for Binkley... ergo... All you need is the is the windows version of BinkP... It should work with others such as InterNET Rex or
D'bridge... But they have the config files for a Binkley style
mailer...
Ur good to go!!! I do not know anything about this software... I just know that if it works it's the missing link...

I will make a note of "KM1P14.ZIP".

I think I need a tosser and scanner that is compatible with (1) the WC5 message base format, and (2) Binkley Style Outbound. I should then be able to use a variety of BSO-compatible mailers (eg. BinkleyTerm, Radius).

One question.... and I'm not trying to talk you out of anything...
your version of WildCat is not supported... There are 2 other BBS
packages out there, Synchronet & Mystic BBS that come absolutely complete... Everything needed and more... and they are currently under development and free... and supported...

Synchronet and Mystic are too mainstream for me. I prefer the classics (Maximus, Opus, PCBoard, RemoteAccess, WC4, Major BBS, WWIV, Iniquity, WorldGroup, PowerBBS).

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

I understand that my version of WC5 is a Windows 32-bit GUI application. However my version is apparently not WINServer (as detailed in its connectio
banner). (Notice from the following banners that one says WINServer and the other does not).

My banner:

==================================================
Wildcat! for Win95/NT (c) 1995,96 Mustang Software, Inc. All Rights Reserve
Registration number: 00-0000. v5.00. Node: 1. ==================================================

Wildcat 5.3:

==================================================
Wildcat! Interactive Net Server (c) 1999 Santronics Software, Inc. Registration number: 00-0000 v5.3.449 (Apr 26 2000) Node: 1 ==================================================

Yeah, your version required the wcICP (Wildcat! Internet Connectivity
Pack) addon which basically makes it WINServer. I believe that startin
with 5.3, that was included in the package from that version on.

Does SexPOTS work with virtual modems (eg. an inbound call via TCP/IP) ?

It could, but it was designed for use with programs like Mystic or
Synchronet for Windows that do not natively have modem code built in,
but can handle telnet sessions. Which in essence would make it a dialup
to telnet shim of sorts.

Now, as I said, I have been around since day 1 of WC5, not WC4, I have
seen a few things. I have talked about BGFax running as a frontend to WC5... I used it and it worked fine. It's been 25 years and I don't recall how it did it but all I know was that it was easy. Moreover, I was on the beta team for InterMail and they were working on a mailer that compatible with WC5 but it never made it into production... The author, Peter, went MIA...

Yeah, Dale Barnes is the current author of InterMail and InterEcho.
There WAS a third party mailer that worked like PX/WINS called
Mail-Ennium/32, but it went the way of the dodo.

Is InterMail a Frontdoor clone ? (it looks like a lot like Frontdoor).

Originally based on FrontDoor code, yes.

Does Platinum Xpress support BinkP ?

No. It only supports modem or virtual modem (via Netserial)
connections. I use PX/WINS side by side with Internet Rex which handles
my binkp transfers.

If "pxmail.exe" only works with Platinum Xpress then it is no good to me.

PXMAIL.EXE is the command line version of PXECHO.EXE basically. It
allows you to scan and toss mail packets from the command line, which PXECHO.EXE apparently does not let you do.

... Paper cut; Insulting Tagline.
--- Wildcat! v8.0.454.10 (May 26 2020), Editor Mod v2.1
* Origin: Omicron Theta * Southaven MS * winserver.org (1:116/18)

On Feb 21, 2021 07:27am, Marceline Jones wrote to Ib Joe:

My banner:

==================================================
Wildcat! for Win95/NT (c) 1995,96 Mustang Software, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Registration number: 00-0000. v5.00. Node: 1. ==================================================

Wildcat 5.3:

==================================================
Wildcat! Interactive Net Server (c) 1999 Santronics Software, Inc. Registration number: 00-0000 v5.3.449 (Apr 26 2000) Node: 1 ==================================================

Neither will likely work without a genuine serial number.

Terry

... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!!
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v7.0
* Origin: The File Bank BBS! (3:640/1321)

BY: Marceline Jones(1:103/705)

I heard Quintus Corp acquired Mustang SI for $290m in 2000.
Does that mean Andrea is a squillionare ?

No. They are not. Quintus accuired assets excluding wildcat/winserver.

--- WWIV 5.7.0.3422
* Origin: Inland Utopia BBS * iutopia.duckdns.org:2023 (1:218/109)

On 21 Feb 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...

I understand that my version of WC5 is a Windows 32-bit GUI application. However my version is apparently not WINServer (as detailed in its connection banner). (Notice from the following banners that one says WINServer and the other does not).

My banner:

==================================================
Wildcat! for Win95/NT (c) 1995,96 Mustang Software, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Registration number: 00-0000. v5.00. Node: 1. ==================================================

Wildcat 5.3:

==================================================
Wildcat! Interactive Net Server (c) 1999 Santronics Software, Inc. Registration number: 00-0000 v5.3.449 (Apr 26 2000) Node: 1 ==================================================

Okay, you have WC5

Wildcat version 5.00 does not come with HTTP or FTP (these were add-on products that needed to be purchased separately). I understand that wcOnline handles connections between callers and wcServer. But unlike a lot of DOS BBS's, WC5 does not have an option to load an active
connection (high carrier) into the BBS from the command line.

For me... I start wcServer then wcOnline and the BBS is ready to receive callers. You need to configure your BBS so that it can be accessed VIA telnet, use port 23... it doesn't matter.... that's the standard port for telnet... Then Configure NetSerial to work... then the mailer to work with NetSerial... The mailer will answer the call and pass the user to SexPOTS and SexPOTS send the user to the BBS.

I have both DOS and Windows versions (WC4 and WC5).

If an external mailer like Frontdoor can exit without dropping carrier, and then SexPOTS can pickup and resume carrier and forward the
connection on to WC5, then SexPOTS sounds like it might work.

You cannot use a DOS mailer with a Windows 32bit program. Use a Windows mailer and you'll be able to achieve what you want. SexPOTS with a Windows based mailer will work fine. BTW, if you ran your WC4 BBS use D'bridge because it has Binkp built right into it...

Does SexPOTS work with virtual modems (eg. an inbound call via TCP/IP) ?

It should... It's a small telnet app that works with a modem... The program should not detect you're using a virtual modem.

Is InterMail a Frontdoor clone ? (it looks like a lot like Frontdoor).

Peter & JoHo were the original authors to Frontdoor. They fell out of love. The each left with copies of the source code ands went their separate ways. InterMail isn't really a clone .... at one point they were identical just changed cosmetically ... and whatever Peter added after the breakup.

Does Platinum Xpress support BinkP ?

I use Internet Rex because it has a Platinum Express setup, Internet Rex has a BinkP mailer in it... BinkP has a neat little thing it does... you can set it up to send mail to someone if there are files in a specific directory... so... if you wanted to send me mail \bink\mailbox\joe\ anything in the joe directory would be sent to me Most mail tossers today have the feature to send stuff to a mailbox like I described... or you can write a batch file to move things there....

If "pxmail.exe" only works with Platinum Xpress then it is no good to me.

I think so... it had px in front of the name... all of my fidonet setup is in Platinum Express...

I have uploaded 2 files on my BBS that will toss fidonet mail for wc5

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's BBS
-=JoesBBS.com=-

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)

On 21 Feb 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...

I think I need a tosser and scanner that is compatible with (1) the WC5 message base format, and (2) Binkley Style Outbound. I should then be
able to use a variety of BSO-compatible mailers (eg. BinkleyTerm,
Radius).

Nope... as I explained in a prior message... you'll want to look up mail boxes or file boxes... drop any files in those file directory and they get sent off just like that... If your mail tosser does not support Binkley Style Outbound just move your outbound mail there and it'll go...

Synchronet and Mystic are too mainstream for me. I prefer the classics (Maximus, Opus, PCBoard, RemoteAccess, WC4, Major BBS, WWIV, Iniquity, WorldGroup, PowerBBS).

I know of a person who is trying to revive his BBS, 25 or more years ago he use to call my BBS. I helped him set one up... Anyway, getting back into things and he wanted to do a Remote Access BBS like the good old days... response was the same as yours.

U should be good to go then...

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's BBS
-=JoesBBS.com=-

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)

On 20 Feb 2021, Robert Wolfe said the following...

I understand that my version of WC5 is a Windows 32-bit GUI application However my version is apparently not WINServer (as detailed in its conn

banner). (Notice from the following banners that one says WINServer and other does not).

My banner:

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Wildcat! for Win95/NT (c) 1995,96 Mustang Software, Inc. All Rights Re

Registration number: 00-0000. v5.00. Node: 1. ==================================================

I woke up in the middle of the night thinking about this.... That's Okay, I'm a middle aged man and I may have prostate issues... taking a piss

I knew we might be missing something...I always just assumed my version was what it was... ready to connect. HTTP/FTP/TelnNET et. al.

Okay... if it's a Dial in BBS then he should be able to use netserial like we do with PXW & WinServer then... No mailer just WC5 and Ur good to go ... right??

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's BBS
-=JoesBBS.com=-

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)

I knew we might be missing something...I always just assumed my version was what it was... ready to connect. HTTP/FTP/TelnNET et. al.

Okay... if it's a Dial in BBS then he should be able to use netserial like w
do with PXW & WinServer then... No mailer just WC5 and Ur good to go ... right??

If he is running a dial in BBS with WINServer, he does not need
NetSerial to handle the incoming call at all. wcOnline will do that on
its own based on the configuration for the modem node in wcConfig. The
same thing for PXOnline as well. If either sees a regular modem node,
then it will use the OS' comm drivers to handle that call over the
modem. No NetSerial required since you are using a physical modem and
not a virtual one.

... Sure, you START with stealing only taglines, then...
--- Wildcat! v8.0.454.10 (May 26 2020), Editor Mod v2.1
* Origin: Omicron Theta * Southaven MS * winserver.org (1:116/18)

I think our good friend Mr. Wolfe solved your problem.... I was wondering why you weren't just using WC5's telnet server...

Anyway, Here you go... Why are you not using NetSerial to connect to WC5? easy as pi... easy as pi... Here's a link to a website that will assist you in setting up NetSerial with WC5. It also has other links to get PXW to work but you made it clear you don't want that.


If you want a mailer, and there is no need to have one today, setup BinkP and send your mail and files around 99.99% of the people do right now...

I told you in a prior message how you can setup BinkP with mail and or file boxes and it'll work fine...

BTW, Old School... I have the latest version of Renegade BBS, author just released updates... this release has switches for NetSerial... Autor of D'Bridge uses Renegade... so ....

http://renegadebbs.info
https://www.dbridgemailer.com/
D'Bridge has BinkP built into it...

All free...

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's BBS
-=JoesBBS.com=-

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)

On 21 Feb 2021, Robert Wolfe said the following...

If he is running a dial in BBS with WINServer, he does not need
NetSerial to handle the incoming call at all. wcOnline will do that on its own based on the configuration for the modem node in wcConfig. The same thing for PXOnline as well. If either sees a regular modem node, then it will use the OS' comm drivers to handle that call over the
modem. No NetSerial required since you are using a physical modem and not a virtual one.

I really think he doesn't have the internet connectivity package... No telnet.. Just a dialup BBS.

I've always had the full package... and if this is the case he can use netserial and problem solved.

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's BBS
-=JoesBBS.com=-

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)

That and there are so many bug fixes,etc in the current version over the original 5.0 cd which I still have somewhere as well as the internet connectivity
pack (icp) . They should just contact Sandro nicks and get Andrea to up them to the current build for proper evaluation

On 2/21/2021 11:09 AM, Robert Wolfe wrote to Ib Joe:

@TID: PX/Win v7.0 PX28-1176M
@MSGID: 1:116/18 497f2768
@TZUTC: -0600

I knew we might be missing something...I always just assumed my

version was

what it was... ready to connect. HTTP/FTP/TelnNET et. al.

Okay... if it's a Dial in BBS then he should be able to use netserial like w

do with PXW & WinServer then... No mailer just WC5 and Ur good to go

...

right??

If he is running a dial in BBS with WINServer, he does not need
NetSerial to handle the incoming call at all. wcOnline will do that on
its own based on the configuration for the modem node in wcConfig. The same thing for PXOnline as well. If either sees a regular modem node,
then it will use the OS' comm drivers to handle that call over the
modem. No NetSerial required since you are using a physical modem and
not a virtual one.

... Sure, you START with stealing only taglines, then...
--- Wildcat! v8.0.454.10 (May 26 2020), Editor Mod v2.1
* Origin: Omicron Theta * Southaven MS * winserver.org (1:116/18)

--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v7.0
* Origin: EMS!BBS - FIDOnet - 3:640/1115 www.ems-bbs.com (3:640/1115)

That and there are so many bug fixes,etc in the current version over the original 5.0 cd which I still have somewhere as well as the internet connectivity
pack (icp) . They should just contact Sandro nicks and get Andrea to up them
to the current build for proper evaluation

On 2/21/2021 11:09 AM, Robert Wolfe wrote to Ib Joe:

@TID: PX/Win v7.0 PX28-1176M
@MSGID: 1:116/18 497f2768
@TZUTC: -0600

I knew we might be missing something...I always just assumed my

version was

what it was... ready to connect. HTTP/FTP/TelnNET et. al.

Okay... if it's a Dial in BBS then he should be able to use netserial

like w

do with PXW & WinServer then... No mailer just WC5 and Ur good to go

...

right??

If he is running a dial in BBS with WINServer, he does not need NetSerial to handle the incoming call at all. wcOnline will do that on its own based on the configuration for the modem node in wcConfig. The same thing for PXOnline as well. If either sees a regular modem node, then it will use the OS' comm drivers to handle that call over the modem. No NetSerial required since you are using a physical modem and not a virtual one.

... Sure, you START with stealing only taglines, then...
--- Wildcat! v8.0.454.10 (May 26 2020), Editor Mod v2.1
* Origin: Omicron Theta * Southaven MS * winserver.org (1:116/18)

--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v7.0
* Origin: EMS!BBS - FIDOnet - 3:640/1115 www.ems-bbs.com

(3:640/1115)

You mean Santronics. And IIRC, they will only do a full price instead
of an upgrade if you currently have 5.0 and not at least 5.3 since I
BELIEVE 5.3 was the first version with the wcICP package built in.

... @FROMFIRST@'s Tagcrafters: Taglines repaired in about an hour.
--- Wildcat! v8.0.454.10 (May 26 2020), Editor Mod v2.1
* Origin: Omicron Theta * Southaven MS * winserver.org (1:116/18)

I think our good friend Mr. Wolfe solved your problem.... I was wondering wh
you weren't just using WC5's telnet server...

Anyway, Here you go... Why are you not using NetSerial to connect to WC5? e
as pi... easy as pi... Here's a link to a website that will assist you in setting up NetSerial with WC5. It also has other links to get PXW to work b
you made it clear you don't want that.

If you want a mailer, and there is no need to have one today, setup BinkP an
send your mail and files around 99.99% of the people do right now...

I told you in a prior message how you can setup BinkP with mail and or file boxes and it'll work fine...

BTW, Old School... I have the latest version of Renegade BBS, author just released updates... this release has switches for NetSerial... Autor of D'Bridge uses Renegade... so ....

http://renegadebbs.info
https://www.dbridgemailer.com/
D'Bridge has BinkP built into it...

All free...

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's BBS
-=JoesBBS.com=-

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)

I think you mean the D'Bridge support BBS uses Renegade. D'Bridge
uses, well, D'Bridge and binkd :)

... My messages are subliminal ... including this Tagline.
--- Wildcat! v8.0.454.10 (May 26 2020), Editor Mod v2.1
* Origin: Omicron Theta * Southaven MS * winserver.org (1:116/18)

On 22 Feb 2021, Robert Wolfe said the following...

I think you mean the D'Bridge support BBS uses Renegade. D'Bridge
uses, well, D'Bridge and binkd :)

I have been all over the place on this topic... I know D'Bridge has BinkD, I like the mailer and support the Authors efforts... he can't be all that bad because he's Canadian.

My statement was made to someone where I was simply saying.... Take a BBS such as Renegade. the author has made current revisions to it... Run a mailer like D'Bridge, current and under development, and that mailer comes intact with BinkD... Trying to make 30 year old technology work today has it's changes... Why fight it :)

Some years ago I helped a young kid out... I forget his age at the time... he was a pup. Early 90s... I helped him out with FrontDoor setup. Anyway, He wanted to revive his RA board. He played around with Mystic and Synchronet, but chose to go all out on this. So.... he went with RA, and he took my suggestion... or maybe he did this on his own... He uses D'Bridge as a mailer and processes mail through his system easy as pi.

We are blessed as a community to still have people around developing some of the tools we use.

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's BBS
-=JoesBBS.com=-

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)

We are blessed as a community to still have people around developing some of the tools we use.

I agree with you Joe. Im using Irex and I'll be moving to D'bridge one
of these day's. Its a wonderful thing to have People upgrading there
older software!
Sam


Bye for now...
Sam
1:123/120.0@fidonet
Ezycom BBS Support

--- Ezycom V3.00 01FB064B
* Origin: Deep Space Gateway BBS Running EZYCOM V3.0 (1:123/120)

I agree with you Joe. Im using Irex and I'll be moving to D'bridge one
of these day's. Its a wonderful thing to have People upgrading there
older software!

--- Ezycom V3.00 01FB064B

I agree. It just sucks that the guy that worked on EzyCom is no longer
working on it. It's a solid piece of software.



...If it works, tear it apart and find out why!
---BapStats Module (bsDBASE v3.0 Build 30)
* Origin: Omicron Theta * Southaven MS * winserver.org (1:116/18)

On 23 Feb 2021, Sam Penwright said the following...

We are blessed as a community to still have people around developing of the tools we use.

I agree with you Joe. Im using Irex and I'll be moving to D'bridge one
of these day's. Its a wonderful thing to have People upgrading there
older software!
Sam

I've been at this for 30 years... OMG... Maybe there'll be a serge in BBS use if Big Tech keeps censoring people. I can't wait... Keep looking out my window while drinking coffee ... Thinking ... Build it and they will come.

:)

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's BBS
-=JoesBBS.com=-

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)

damned spellchecker on my ipad going nuts :)
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v7.0
* Origin: EMS!BBS - FIDOnet - 3:640/1115 www.ems-bbs.com (3:640/1115)

I've been at this for 30 years... OMG... Maybe there'll be a serge in BBS use
if Big Tech keeps censoring people. I can't wait... Keep looking out my window while drinking coffee ... Thinking ... Build it and they will

Lol I like that Joe. So funny!
Sam


Bye for now...
Sam
1:123/120.0@fidonet
Ezycom BBS Support

--- Ezycom V3.00 01FB064B
* Origin: Deep Space Gateway BBS Running EZYCOM V3.0 (1:123/120)

On 24 Feb 2021, Sam Penwright said the following...

I've been at this for 30 years... OMG... Maybe there'll be a serge in use
if Big Tech keeps censoring people. I can't wait... Keep looking out window while drinking coffee ... Thinking ... Build it and they will

Lol I like that Joe. So funny!
Sam

I haven't had a lot of users stop by... based on my "Build it and they will come" mentality... But the Naked Indian Guy tries to visit all the time.

The life of a SysOp

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's BBS
-=JoesBBS.com=-

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)

I've been at this for 30 years... OMG... Maybe there'll be a

serge in

use
if Big Tech keeps censoring people. I can't wait... Keep

looking out

window while drinking coffee ... Thinking ... Build it and they

will

Joe its not alot we can do about it! Just keep trying. There are more
and more bbs everyday and we lose some everyday. I enjoy messing
around with bbs's or I wouldnt be doing it. I look it as a way to try
and keep the mind working. If I didnt have this I would be bored out
of mind.
Sam


Bye for now...
Sam
1:123/120.0@fidonet
Ezycom BBS Support

--- Ezycom V3.00 01FB064B
* Origin: Deep Space Gateway BBS Running EZYCOM V3.0 (1:123/120)

Joe its not alot we can do about it! Just keep trying. There are more
and more bbs everyday and we lose some everyday. I enjoy messing
around with bbs's or I wouldnt be doing it. I look it as a way to try
and keep the mind working. If I didnt have this I would be bored out
of mind.
Sam

Same here, I do it because I like doing this and yes, I would be bored out of my mind also.

Ruben Figueroa aka Zazz
Mystic Prison Board Sysop
telnet://pbmystic.rdfig.net:24
Web: www.rdfig.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/11/17 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Mystic Prison*Mesquite Tx*pbmystic.rdfig.net:24 (1:124/5014)

On 24 Feb 2021, Sam Penwright said the following...

Joe its not alot we can do about it! Just keep trying. There are more
and more bbs everyday and we lose some everyday. I enjoy messing
around with bbs's or I wouldnt be doing it. I look it as a way to try
and keep the mind working. If I didnt have this I would be bored out
of mind.
Sam

It's Okay... I'm in it to win it...

Playing with Platinum Express ... sending mail via the internet like tho old dialup days. I miss those days to be honest. Everything was more personal. We use to have user parties and all kinds of things.

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's BBS
-=JoesBBS.com=-

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)

BY: Robert Wolfe(1:116/18)

I agree. It just sucks that the guy that worked on EzyCom is no
longer working on it. It's a solid piece of software.

I think he had a hardware failure where the code was hard to recover.

--- WWIV 5.7.0.3433
* Origin: Inland Utopia BBS * iutopia.duckdns.org:2023 (1:218/109)

Yeah, your version required the wcICP (Wildcat! Internet Connectivity Pack) addon which basically makes it WINServer. I believe that
startin with 5.3, that was included in the package from that version
on.

Can the wcICP for Wildcat 5.00 still be obtained ?

Does SexPOTS work with virtual modems (eg. an inbound call via TCP/IP) ?

It could, but it was designed for use with programs like Mystic or Synchronet for Windows that do not natively have modem code built in,
but can handle telnet sessions. Which in essence would make it a
dialup to telnet shim of sorts.

Sounds like it will work with Wildcat 5.0 since this version [surprisingly] comes with a telnet server (contrary to the documentation).

Yeah, Dale Barnes is the current author of InterMail and InterEcho.
There WAS a third party mailer that worked like PX/WINS called Mail-Ennium/32, but it went the way of the dodo.

Why would a 3rd party mailer need to work with Platinum Xpress ? it just needs to (1) handle mail and (2) have a compatible tosser/scanner right ?

Does Platinum Xpress support BinkP ?

No. It only supports modem or virtual modem (via Netserial)
connections. I use PX/WINS side by side with Internet Rex which
handles my binkp transfers.

Does paying $100 for something that does not do BinkP sound right to you ?

If "pxmail.exe" only works with Platinum Xpress then it is no good to me.

PXMAIL.EXE is the command line version of PXECHO.EXE basically. It allows you to scan and toss mail packets from the command line, which PXECHO.EXE apparently does not let you do.

Can PXECHO.EXE work with a mailer other than Platinum Xpress ?

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

You cannot use a DOS mailer with a Windows 32bit program. Use a
Windows mailer and you'll be able to achieve what you want. SexPOTS
with a Windows based mailer will work fine. BTW, if you ran your WC4
BBS use D'bridge because it has Binkp built right into it...

Does SexPOTS work with virtual modems (eg. an inbound call via TCP/IP) ?

If SexPOTS forwards connections via telnet then it should be able to pass callers from a DOS mailer to wcOnline right (because there is no issue with direct serial port access or FOSSIL required) ?

I think so... it had px in front of the name... all of my fidonet
setup is in Platinum Express...
I have uploaded 2 files on my BBS that will toss fidonet mail for wc5

Can you provide the filenames ?

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

Can the wcICP for Wildcat 5.00 still be obtained ?

No. At least I dont think you can actually buy it anymore since it is basically included as part of the standard WINServer package.

Sounds like it will work with Wildcat 5.0 since this version [surprisingly] comes with a telnet server (contrary to the documentation).

Can you telnet to it with just wcOnline running and no virtual modem?

Yeah, Dale Barnes is the current author of InterMail and InterEcho. There WAS a third party mailer that worked like PX/WINS called Mail-Ennium/32, but it went the way of the dodo.

Why would a 3rd party mailer need to work with Platinum Xpress ? it just nee to (1) handle mail and (2) have a compatible tosser/scanner right ?

Because Platinum Xpress is the only tosser/scanner available for
WINServer. Period.

Does paying $100 for something that does not do BinkP sound right to you ?

In this case, it's the only choice we have.

Can PXECHO.EXE work with a mailer other than Platinum Xpress ?

Again, no. It is an integral part of Platinum Xpress. You need to
purchase PX to have that. PXECHO.EXE is basically the all-in-one GUI
interface for the PXMAIL and PXTIC command line tools that are also a
part of Platinum Xpress. So, no matter how you slice it, if you want to
carry FTN networks on WINServer or WC5, you need PX.

--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v7.0
* Origin: Omicron Theta * Southaven MS * winserver.org (1:116/18)

On 25 Feb 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...

You cannot use a DOS mailer with a Windows 32bit program. Use a Windows mailer and you'll be able to achieve what you want. SexPOTS with a Windows based mailer will work fine. BTW, if you ran your WC4 BBS use D'bridge because it has Binkp built right into it...

Does SexPOTS work with virtual modems (eg. an inbound call via TCP/IP

If SexPOTS forwards connections via telnet then it should be able to pass callers from a DOS mailer to wcOnline right (because there is no issue with direct serial port access or FOSSIL required) ?

You cannot mix a DOS mailer with a Windows based modem program... that's
it... download, setup, and test this yourself it does not work.

If you have wcOnline I'm sure your BBS has telnet... get your users to call your BBS with that... there is absolutely no need to have a mailer pass a user... If you want a mailer... setup whatever you want and let it run independently of the BBS....

BTW, I have PXW running with WINServer... if you were to call that port PXW would hangup on you and say it's a mail only line. There is no need to have a mailer with the BBS to process human callers... I have 12 nodes and one is eaten up with mail processes... and that leaves me with 10 nodes more than I currently need.

If you don't believe me that it doesn't work... download the programs and put some time in to see if they work...

I think so... it had px in front of the name... all of my fidonet setup is in Platinum Express...
I have uploaded 2 files on my BBS that will toss fidonet mail for wc5

Can you provide the filenames ?

I only have a half dozen files on my system... They are the only 2 that say they are WC5 mail tossers... They are there for you...

Enjoy!!!!

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's BBS
-=JoesBBS.com=-

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)

You cannot use a DOS mailer with a Windows 32bit program. Use a Windows mailer and you'll be able to achieve what you want. SexPOTS with a Windows based mailer will work fine. BTW, if you ran your WC4 BBS use D'bridge because it has Binkp built right into it...

Does SexPOTS work with virtual modems (eg. an inbound call via TCP/IP)

If SexPOTS forwards connections via telnet then it should be able to pass callers from a DOS mailer to wcOnline right (because there is no issue with direct serial port access or FOSSIL required) ?

I think so... it had px in front of the name... all of my fidonet setup is in Platinum Express...
I have uploaded 2 files on my BBS that will toss fidonet mail for wc5

Can you provide the filenames ?

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
--- SBBSecho 3.13-Linux
* Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (1:103/705)

I think Rob Swindell will tell you SEXPOTS was not designed that way.

... See the I'D LOVE TO, BUT... Taglines by Richard Godbee!
--- Wildcat! v8.0.454.10 (May 26 2020), Editor Mod v2.1
* Origin: Omicron Theta * Southaven MS * winserver.org (1:116/18)

Joe, the problem she has is she's runnning 5.0, not 5.3+ which has the ICP(Internet connectivity package) built into it. originally it was an
option
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v7.0
* Origin: EMS!BBS - FIDOnet - 3:640/1115 www.ems-bbs.com (3:640/1115)

Joe, the problem she has is she's runnning 5.0, not 5.3+ which has the ICP(Internet connectivity package) built into it. originally it was an option

I don't recall to be honest with you... I must have paid for the
conectivity package... I always had it... and now it's been 25 or more years....

Got it now...

Thanx
Joe
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Joe, the problem she has is she's runnning 5.0, not 5.3+ which has the ICP(Internet connectivity package) built into it. originally it was an option
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In this case, she needs to try and get at least version 5.3.

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You cannot use a DOS mailer with a Windows 32bit program. Use a Windows mailer and you'll be able to achieve what you want. SexPOTS with a Windows based mailer will work fine. BTW, if you ran your WC4 BBS use D'bridge because it has Binkp built right into it...

Does SexPOTS work with virtual modems (eg. an inbound call via TCP/IP

If SexPOTS forwards connections via telnet then it should be able to pass callers from a DOS mailer to wcOnline right (because there is no issue with direct serial port access or FOSSIL required) ?

You cannot mix a DOS mailer with a Windows based modem program...
that's it... download, setup, and test this yourself it does not work.

I believe it can be done. But it depends on how SexPOTS was coded. I am clarifying these details with the author.

If you have wcOnline I'm sure your BBS has telnet... get your users to call your BBS with that... there is absolutely no need to have a
mailer pass a user... If you want a mailer... setup whatever you want
and let it run independently of the BBS....

But I need to have my BBS callers see a "Press <ESC> twice for BBS" prompt.

BTW, I have PXW running with WINServer... if you were to call that
port PXW would hangup on you and say it's a mail only line. There is
no need to have a mailer with the BBS to process human callers... I
have 12 nodes and one is eaten up with mail processes... and that
leaves me with 10 nodes more than I currently need.

You are not fully utilising Platinum Xpress if you are not enabling BBS callers.

Can you provide the filenames ?

I only have a half dozen files on my system... They are the only 2
that say they are WC5 mail tossers... They are there for you...

All I saw was KityMail and NetRunner. One is a mail processor, and the other is a telnet client.

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

If SexPOTS forwards connections via telnet then it should be able to pass callers from a DOS mailer to wcOnline right (because there is no issue with
direct serial port access or FOSSIL required) ?

I think so... it had px in front of the name... all of my fidonet setup is in Platinum Express...
I have uploaded 2 files on my BBS that will toss fidonet mail for wc5

Can you provide the filenames ?

I think Rob Swindell will tell you SEXPOTS was not designed that way.

I am enquiring about it. SexPOTS might need to be FOSSIL aware to create the serial tunnel from a DOS process.

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

BTW, I have PXW running with WINServer... if you were to call that
port PXW would hangup on you and say it's a mail only line. There is no need to have a mailer with the BBS to process human callers... I have 12 nodes and one is eaten up with mail processes... and that leaves me with 10 nodes more than I currently need.

You are not fully utilising Platinum Xpress if you are not enabling BBS callers.

This is not true. Why enable callers on a PX node with NetSerial when
port 23 is open for human callers all day long? It is a good idea to
leave PX running on another port and let that be for FTN calls only and
leave port 23 or a port other than what PX/NetSerial is listening on and
leave NetSerial connections open for FTN calls only. This is common
practice these days.
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On 28 Feb 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...

If SexPOTS forwards connections via telnet then it should be able to callers from a DOS mailer to wcOnline right (because there is no issu with direct serial port access or FOSSIL required) ?

SexPOTS is a small application that would bridge between your Mailer and the BBS. SexPOTS is a windows 32Bit app and it's not compatible with a DOS mailer. If you have a windows based mailer in conjunction with SexPOTS it'll pass a caller to a telnet-able BBS.

If you want an example of my setup I have NetSerial/WINServewr/PXW... telnet to JoesBBS.com port 3141 and you'll be able to connect to that kind of setup. In this setup I have PXW working on 1 of my 12 nodes... mainly because having PXW working on all my nodes will not improve the user experience... BTW, I have only started using PXW again.... and doing so did not increase the user experience .... It's just not needed with todays systems..

You cannot mix a DOS mailer with a Windows based modem program... that's it... download, setup, and test this yourself it does not work

I believe it can be done. But it depends on how SexPOTS was coded. I am clarifying these details with the author.

Good luck...

If you have wcOnline I'm sure your BBS has telnet... get your users t call your BBS with that... there is absolutely no need to have a mailer pass a user... If you want a mailer... setup whatever you wan and let it run independently of the BBS....

But I need to have my BBS callers see a "Press <ESC> twice for BBS" prompt.

Why do you "NEED" to have users press esc twice?? Why is these this "NEED" for that?? You won't be impressed with PXW then... it doesn't make the user press escape twice ... call my BBS JoesBBS.com port 3141

You are not fully utilising Platinum Xpress if you are not enabling BBS callers.

I have 12 nodes, one dedicated to mail only. That leaves me 11 other nodes to handle callers.... at best that leaves me 7 or 8 more than I'll need... and if I need more I'll add more... magic!!!
Right now, 95% of my mail is passed via BinkD... and as I have said there are a few WINServer sysops passing mail around with PXW...

TTYL

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's BBS
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You are not fully utilising Platinum Xpress if you are not enabling BBS callers.

This is not true. Why enable callers on a PX node with NetSerial when port 23 is open for human callers all day long? It is a good idea to leave PX running on another port and let that be for FTN calls only
and leave port 23 or a port other than what PX/NetSerial is listening
on and leave NetSerial connections open for FTN calls only. This is common practice these days.

Does Platinum Xpress display a banner ?

This is what Frondoor says:

==================================================
FrontDoor 2.02; Noncommercial version

Press Escape twice for RemoteAccess

Loading the BBS ...
==================================================

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

kind of setup. In this setup I have PXW working on 1 of my 12 nodes... mainly because having PXW working on all my nodes will not improve the user experience... BTW, I have only started using PXW again.... and
doing so did not increase the user experience .... It's just not
needed with todays systems..

I do not use BBS's because they are needed. I use them because they are there.

You cannot mix a DOS mailer with a Windows based modem program... that's it... download, setup, and test this yourself it does not work

I believe it can be done. But it depends on how SexPOTS was coded. I am clarifying these details with the author.

Good luck...

From what I have seen so far, SexPOTS does not look like it will work with a DOS mailer. Oh well.

Why do you "NEED" to have users press esc twice?? Why is these this "NEED" for that?? You won't be impressed with PXW then... it doesn't
make the user press escape twice ... call my BBS JoesBBS.com port
3141

That is one reason why I am not impressed with Platinum Xpress. I want to show off the fact that I am running a frontend mailer.

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

Re: Re: External mailer
By: Marceline Jones to IB JOE on Sun Mar 07 2021 06:11 pm

From what I have seen so far, SexPOTS does not look like it will work with a DOS mailer. Oh well.

SexPOTS connects a serial (e.g. dial-up modem) client/user with a telnet server. There are no DOS FidoNet mailers that include a telnet server that I'm aware of. I think you're looking at the wrong tool for whatever it is you're trying to accomplish.
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Re: Re: External mailer
By: Marceline Jones to IB JOE on Sun Mar 07 2021 18:11:00

I want to show off the fact that I am running a frontend mailer.

at best, maybe 1% would even notice or care and that's being quite generous with the eWAG...


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On 07 Mar 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...

I do not use BBS's because they are needed. I use them because they are there.

Great... we need more users like you...

From what I have seen so far, SexPOTS does not look like it will work
with a DOS mailer. Oh well.

Nope... and from what I have been reading you understand that NET2BBS is the program for you...

That is one reason why I am not impressed with Platinum Xpress. I want
to show off the fact that I am running a frontend mailer.

Great... D'Bridge with WC4 is your answer...

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's BBS
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You are not fully utilising Platinum Xpress if you are not enabling BBS callers.

This is not true. Why enable callers on a PX node with NetSerial when port 23 is open for human callers all day long? It is a good idea to leave PX running on another port and let that be for FTN calls only and leave port 23 or a port other than what PX/NetSerial is listening on and leave NetSerial connections open for FTN calls only. This is common practice these days.

Does Platinum Xpress display a banner ?

This is what Frondoor says:

==================================================
FrontDoor 2.02; Noncommercial version

Press Escape twice for RemoteAccess

Loading the BBS ...
==================================================

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Yes, it does.

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Does Platinum Xpress display a banner ?

This is what Frondoor says:

==================================================
FrontDoor 2.02; Noncommercial version

Press Escape twice for RemoteAccess

Loading the BBS ...
==================================================

Yes, it does.

That is not what Ib Joe said.

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

I want to show off the fact that I am running a frontend mailer.

at best, maybe 1% would even notice or care and that's being quite generous with the eWAG...

People pay more attention to what differentiates BBS's than you think.

Just look at all the people who read tear lines for example.

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

Re: Re: External mailer
By: Marceline Jones to MARK LEWIS on Sun Mar 14 2021 16:50:00

I want to show off the fact that I am running a frontend mailer.

at best, maybe 1% would even notice or care and that's being quite generous with the eWAG...

People pay more attention to what differentiates BBS's than you think.

some do, many do not... i remember quite a few complaining about having to hit escape twice... i generally told them to just wait and let the mailer time out and it would pass them to the BBS anyway... hitting escape twice was
simply a quicker signal that it was a user connecting and the mailer didn't need to spend time trying to detect different mailer protocols...

Just look at all the people who read tear lines for example.

most do that to see what software was used to create the message... that and signaling the end of the message is their purpose...


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i edited who is online.wcx an html-who.wcx to reflectvthat nodes aee
being used for mail. you can make a page that pxw can display if
you directly telnet to it as well
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i edited who is online.wcx an html-who.wcx to reflectvthat nodes aee
being used for mail. you can make a page that pxw can display if
you directly telnet to it as well

My version of Wildcat does not come with any *.wcx files.

But Platinum Xpress being able to display something is better than nothing.

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

some do, many do not... i remember quite a few complaining about
having to hit escape twice... i generally told them to just wait and
let the mailer time out and it would pass them to the BBS anyway... hitting escape twice was simply a quicker signal that it was a user connecting and the mailer didn't need to spend time trying to detect different mailer protocols...

Nowadays as BBS's continue to dwindle, people are more curious about program details, especially for new boards.

Just look at all the people who read tear lines for example.

most do that to see what software was used to create the message...
that and signaling the end of the message is their purpose...

Exactly. People pay attention to these details.

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

On 3/14/2021 4:58 PM, Marceline Jones wrote to MARK LEWIS:

Just curious, what your bbs  address is


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Just curious, what your bbs  address is

I do not have a BBS address.

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

i edited who is online.wcx an html-who.wcx to reflectvthat nodes aee being used for mail. you can make a page that pxw can display if
you directly telnet to it as well

My version of Wildcat does not come with any *.wcx files.

But Platinum Xpress being able to display something is better than nothing.

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
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You would only get the file he is talking about if you purchased the wcBASIC Plus Pack.



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