• Ctrl-Alt-Del before login

    From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to All on Thursday, April 07, 2022 00:34:51
    Hello All,

    I am a bit rusty with Windows but my mother, who is running Windows 10 Pro on her computer, suddenly was required to use the Ctrl-Alt-Del keypress before logging into her computer. She says this happened after a Windows update but I can't seem to find a way to turn it off. No group policies are set. Any ideas on how to turn this off?

    Her soundcard suddenly quit working also but I am still working on that.

    -- Sean

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  • From Vincent Coen@2:250/1 to Sean Dennis on Thursday, April 07, 2022 15:15:01
    Hello Sean!

    Thursday April 07 2022 00:34, you wrote to All:

    Hello All,

    I am a bit rusty with Windows but my mother, who is running Windows 10
    Pro on her computer, suddenly was required to use the Ctrl-Alt-Del
    keypress before logging into her computer. She says this happened
    after a Windows update but I can't seem to find a way to turn it off.
    No group policies are set. Any ideas on how to turn this off?

    Her soundcard suddenly quit working also but I am still working on
    that.

    Simple fix - Install your fav. Linux distro :)

    And no my baby LT (for taking on the odd holiday to copy over camera photo SD cards) and a irregular one, does not have this as an issue for v10 or v11.

    Guessing it is, a local setting, does it offer boxes for user name and password
    at log in ?

    Vincent

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Sean Dennis on Thursday, April 07, 2022 16:39:32
    Any ideas on how to turn this off?

    As usual: Google is your friend.

    E.g.

    How do I stop Ctrl Alt Del on startup?
    To enable secure logon, open Run, type Control Userpasswords2 or netplwiz and hit Enter to open the User Accounts Properties box. Open the Advanced tab, and in the Secure logon section, click to clear the Require users to press Ctrl+Alt+Delete check box if you want to disable the CTRL+ALT+DELETE sequence.



    ..

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Vincent Coen on Thursday, April 07, 2022 10:56:52
    Hello Vincent,

    07 Apr 22 15:15, you wrote to me:

    Simple fix - Install your fav. Linux distro :)

    My mother and I have actually been discussing that as of late. The two programs she uses are Firefox and Thunderbird. When I explained to her that I could move her FF and TB profiles over to a Linux install without any loss of productivity, she commented that she "saw no need to use Windows anymore". Her older but still very reliable HP commercial color laser printer is well-supported via HPLIP and CUPS. Windows keeps breaking it.

    We'll see where this goes. Converting her computer from W10 to Devuan Linux is going to take some effort.

    My dad will have to stay on Windows. Due to physical disability, he uses Dragon Professionally Speaking for speech-to-text capability and there's no good alternative for that under Linux.

    My mother is more "computer savvy" than my dad but my dad has tramautic brain injury from being hit head-on by a drunk driver at 70 MPH in 2003 so it is hard for him to learn and retain new skills anymore and even old skills can be very shaky at times.

    Guessing it is, a local setting, does it offer boxes for user name and
    password at log in ?

    It is a local setting but I can't figure out where it is being toggled on and off at.

    -- Sean

    ... If you stand by the sea, it sounds like putting a shell to your ear.
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Bjrn Felten on Thursday, April 07, 2022 10:52:18
    Hello Bjrn,

    07 Apr 22 16:39, you wrote to me:

    As usual: Google is your friend.

    I did Google. I did do what you typed. However, with every Windows update her computer receives, this feature is toggled back on. That's what I'm trying to figure out.

    But thank you for taking the time out to look this up for me. I appreciate it.

    -- Sean

    ... Needs are a function of what other people have.
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  • From Vincent Coen@2:250/1 to Sean Dennis on Thursday, April 07, 2022 17:07:07
    Hello Sean!

    Thursday April 07 2022 10:56, you wrote to me:

    Remember that you can install Linux on a Windows based platform so that both are installed and you during boot process -> Boot Manager select the system you
    wish to run with the Default being the previous system used (if not changing any settings).

    Just be careful during the Linux install to select the correct install.

    Works very well as I use Linux boot manager on most of my systems to select other systems or version of the same distro but I have broken down my primary and secondary bootable drives to hold multi partitions using the GPT format where each one is around 50 GB and I have an other drive to hold the /home partition that I have set to auto mount for each one were needed.

    /home used to hold the users home directories under /home i.e.,
    /home
    home/vince
    home/fred
    home/mbse etc

    This way I do not have to rebuild all the data and software held on it for each
    distro or Linux version.

    There again I can be sometimes a bit lazy and I do like a easy life when using systems.

    Bye the bye you cannot do the reverse i.e., first installing Linux then Windows
    as it does not have the facilities to add itself to say pre-installed Linux, at
    least every time I have tried it in the past but not done so since v7.

    It might be worth an experiment with a spare HDD to do so just to see if it is still the case.

    Another option if running v10 & 11 that is fully up to date is to install WSL with a Linux distro that is certified from MS - I have not tried this but should work in a similar manner to my first suggestion.

    I should note here that I keep on one of the MS development channels that gives
    me early releases of window versions, currently if I remember correctly at
    10H2 or 11H2 last time I did a heavy update on my full laptop.

    Does require me to have a lot of time for doing so as it is very slow in downloading the updates despite having a fast ISP download speed (210 MB).

    Vince



    Simple fix - Install your fav. Linux distro :)

    My mother and I have actually been discussing that as of late. The
    two programs she uses are Firefox and Thunderbird. When I explained
    to her that I could move her FF and TB profiles over to a Linux
    install without any loss of productivity, she commented that she "saw
    no need to use Windows anymore". Her older but still very reliable HP commercial color laser printer is well-supported via HPLIP and CUPS.
    Windows keeps breaking it.

    We'll see where this goes. Converting her computer from W10 to Devuan
    Linux is going to take some effort.

    My dad will have to stay on Windows. Due to physical disability, he
    uses Dragon Professionally Speaking for speech-to-text capability and there's no good alternative for that under Linux.

    My mother is more "computer savvy" than my dad but my dad has
    tramautic brain injury from being hit head-on by a drunk driver at 70
    MPH in 2003 so it is hard for him to learn and retain new skills
    anymore and even old skills can be very shaky at times.

    Guessing it is, a local setting, does it offer boxes for user
    name and
    password at log in ?

    It is a local setting but I can't figure out where it is being toggled
    on and off at.

    -- Sean

    ... If you stand by the sea, it sounds like putting a shell to your
    ear.


    Vincent

    --- Mageia Linux v8 X64/Mbse v1.0.8/GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: Air Applewood, The Linux Gateway to the UK & Eire (2:250/1)
  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to SEAN DENNIS on Thursday, April 07, 2022 16:00:00
    I am a bit rusty with Windows but my mother, who is running Windows 10 Pro on her computer, suddenly was required to use the Ctrl-Alt-Del keypress before logging into her computer. She says this happened after a Windows update but I can't seem to find a way to turn it off. No group policies are set. Any ideas on how to turn this off?

    We use Windows on our work PCs. Win10. When we turn them on, we cannot
    get in until we press CTRL-ALT-DEL to bring up the logon screen.

    My mom has a new Windows machine. It has a "key" where she can use her fingerprint to get it but, if you are not set up for that, it also requires a CTRL-ALT-DEL to bring up a password screen.

    The fingerprint option will stop working if Windows has done an update, and
    she will have to enter a PIN # in its place.

    Mike


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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Mike Powell on Thursday, April 07, 2022 21:32:27
    Hello Mike,

    07 Apr 22 16:00, you wrote to me:

    My mom has a new Windows machine. It has a "key" where she can use
    her fingerprint to get it but, if you are not set up for that, it also requires a CTRL-ALT-DEL to bring up a password screen.

    So is this a permanent change then?

    -- Sean

    ... If an experiment works, something has gone wrong.
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  • From Vincent Coen@2:250/1 to Mike Powell on Friday, April 08, 2022 15:24:24
    Hello Mike!

    Thursday April 07 2022 16:00, you wrote to SEAN DENNIS:

    I am a bit rusty with Windows but my mother, who is running Windows
    10 Pro on her computer, suddenly was required to use the
    Ctrl-Alt-Del keypress before logging into her computer. She says
    this happened after a Windows update but I can't seem to find a way
    to turn it off. No group policies are set. Any ideas on how to
    turn this off?

    We use Windows on our work PCs. Win10. When we turn them on, we
    cannot get in until we press CTRL-ALT-DEL to bring up the logon
    screen.

    My mom has a new Windows machine. It has a "key" where she can use
    her fingerprint to get it but, if you are not set up for that, it also requires a CTRL-ALT-DEL to bring up a password screen.

    The fingerprint option will stop working if Windows has done an
    update, and she will have to enter a PIN # in its place.

    That's odd, on my 16" laptop I am running v11 (updated from v10 automatically) despite having for many weeks a warning that the system was not compatible.

    Mind you I am on the early release system just not the beta's and also use fingerprints for log on.

    I have not had a problem with this despite the many updates large and small. Have you had it getting these updates or just the basic one's?

    This system was set up to default to fingerprint then password then pin (which is not set).

    The other laptop which is a baby Coda (11.6") runs v10 and only uses a pin - there again apart from running it, around once a month if I remember to get all
    updates but I got it for taking on holiday's etc, to store photo's from my Canon cameras as a back up. No I have not tried to install a password as default and it doesn't have a fingerprint reader although I could put in facial
    req., but my wife some times uses it for Zoom-ing or did during the peak Covid hit to contact family and friends etc so these do not tend to like multi users using these secondary methods - or did not in the past..

    Again not had a problem with it changing mode of login.

    When I get home from a holiday or break (and no not for over 2 years), the idea
    is, if there has been no problems with the many CD's cards I have used I just transfer them over the the main systems via a lan link and only then delete the
    back ups on the Coda.

    Yes, a portable HDD with a SD reader would be better but there seems to be only
    one brand (WD) and the unit has a poor rep so have kept well clear.

    Vincent

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to SEAN DENNIS on Friday, April 08, 2022 14:22:00
    My mom has a new Windows machine. It has a "key" where she can use
    her fingerprint to get it but, if you are not set up for that, it also requires a CTRL-ALT-DEL to bring up a password screen.

    So is this a permanent change then?

    As far as I know it is. However, they won't let us change it at work if it
    is not permanent, and I did not try to turn it off on my mother's laptop.

    Based on Vincent's experiences with Win11, it may be that you can disable it.

    Mike


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