I have two computers that have windows 7 on them (one home , one pro).
Is there any real reason I should take the offer to upgrade them to
windows 10?

I do have win 10 on another computer we recently bought that had windows
8 installed. It took me about a week to decide not to try to stick with
W8 anymore. That computer has win 10 now, pretty much looks and feels
like my win 7 computers -- albeit with some differences.

I'd like to hear some pros & cons for making the change or just leaving
things as they are.

Dale Shipp
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Dale Shipp wrote in a message to All:

I have two computers that have windows 7 on them (one home , one
pro). Is there any real reason I should take the offer to upgrade
them to windows 10?

I do have win 10 on another computer we recently bought that had
windows 8 installed. It took me about a week to decide not to try
to stick with W8 anymore. That computer has win 10 now, pretty
much looks and feels like my win 7 computers -- albeit with some differences.

I'd like to hear some pros & cons for making the change or just
leaving things as they are.

I never have liked navigating the WIN 7 OS. My wife and I each have laptops that were originally WIN 8 and I took the free upgrades to WIN 10. I also never
liked navigating the WIN 8 & 8.1 OS's, However I have found that WIN 10 OS ( once you get used to it) is much easier to navigate and runs smother than it's predecessors.

The upgrades took a few hours. I did have a couple of programs that I had to reinstall with new versions because they were not designed for WIN 10.


Later,
Bill

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Good morn, Dale.

I run W-10 here on three machines and I IT for some friends. I would not go
back to any previous version of Windows. At Redmond, they have done their work fine and this is a fine OS. Mind you, I do not honour it properly, it is designed for all eplatforms, phone, X-Box and mainly tablet and I do not have any of these.

I had to run-around the driver for my old HP Laserjet 6L but it now works
fine. I use on it all kinds of old apps, Office 2000, PaintShop 6, PF2000, 2004
version of MS Streets, you name it, it runs. I am on ThunderBird .23 now.

I have been on the Insider track since day-one, ie: Oct 2014, great. Sure, you
have to learn new tricks but I know that you are quite capable, I did and I am no wiz.

The Windows Secrets forum/Windows 10 is a source of fine and free information.
Have at it.

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In a message on Friday 01-14-16 Dale Shipp said to All:

Good evening Dale,

I have two computers that have windows 7 on them (one home , one
pro). Is there any real reason I should take the offer to upgrade
them to windows 10?

Yes, it's free, and second: from what I have read and heard, Win 8 has
not been a success.

I'd like to hear some pros & cons for making the change or just
leaving things as they are.

I'm a newbie to Windows 10, and have not yet got to grips with it,
but once I'll get the Classic Shell installed, I think I'll get
accustomed to it.

OTOH, I'm learning day by day more about Win 10. My next steps will be
to make a full backup, then deleting the Win 7 that was on the machine,
and then change the language to english. It had a swedish Win 7 before.


Have a nice day,

All
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On 01-15-16 16:52, Holger Granholm <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Win7 to Win 10 ?? <=-

I have two computers that have windows 7 on them (one home , one
pro). Is there any real reason I should take the offer to upgrade
them to windows 10?

Yes, it's free, and second: from what I have read and heard, Win 8 has
not been a success.

I definitely did not like the Win 8 that came on my wife's new computer,
and it only took about a week for me to decide to upgrade it to Win 10.
My quandry is that even though Win 10 is free at the moment for both of
my Win 7 computers (until July 2016 IIRC), I don't see how the change
would improve things -- and am worried about what might get hurt. I
have a lot of legacy software and hardware that I've managed to get
working on my Win7 computer, but I'm not sure what would happen to them
if I changed.

Software -- a large number of 16 bit DOS applications, Argus, Maximus,
fairly old versions of MS Word and other MS Office programs, Eudora, and
the list goes on. Some of these worked fine when I changed from Win Xp.
Others I have to sort of bend over backwards, including installing Win
XP in a virtual machine for my Bluewave.

I'd like to hear some pros & cons for making the change or just
leaving things as they are.

So far no one has given me any cons -- but I am still worried.

I'm a newbie to Windows 10, and have not yet got to grips with it,
but once I'll get the Classic Shell installed, I think I'll get
accustomed to it.

What do you mean by Classic Shell?

Thanks for your response -- and for the other responses I've gotten in
the past couple of days here.

Dale Shipp
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Dale, good morning.

I have a lot of legacy software and hardware that I've managed to get working on my Win7 computer, but I'm not sure what would happen to them
if I changed.

Ditto here. I run all kinds of old software.

Software -- a large number of 16 bit DOS applications.

The only problem here will be if you try running 16-bit software on a 64-bit
CPU, it will not. I will run on a 32-bit CPU, strange to say the least. Your option is as you did before, a VM.

I'd like to hear some pros & cons for making the change or just
leaving things as they are.

No con here, except the a/m bitness.

but once I'll get the Classic Shell installed, I think I'll get
accustomed to it.

I can not see why Holger wants to run Classic Shell, a personal desire, I
presume. Let us not forget that W-10 is still a Windows and its pedigree goes back 30 years, they have not made a new OS just dressed it up a trifle. All CLIs are still usable. Safe mode is still with us and I use it at times.

All best wishes.

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A suggestive comment.

Dale, good morning.

I have a lot of legacy software and hardware that
I've managed to get
working on my Win7 computer, but I'm not sure
what would happen to them
if I changed.

Ditto here. I run all kinds of old software.

Software -- a large number of 16 bit DOS applications.

The only problem here will be if you try running 16-
bit software on a 64-bit CPU, it will not. I will run
on a 32-bit CPU, strange to say the least. Your option
is as you did before, a VM.

I'd like to hear some pros & cons for making the change or just
leaving things as they are.

There may be some 'information' I have had here relative to the future of the windows world that has been divulged to me in tracing some very bad malware issues with the professional folks I work with on virus and malware protection development.

Buried deeply under what folks get to see, the Windows crew are automatically making the complete modification of everything above Windows XP whatever to Windows 10 hidden under anything you folks see starting with January of 2016. You may think you are still working with version 7 or 8 or whatever. But you are not. The huge AUTOMATC discovery that your whole system has been,shall we suggest as hijacked isn't complete yet, but the total transmission to 'complete' Windows whatever control is currently said to be going on now.

I have no proof this is true or not. It may not be, But if what is pointed toward as complete control of computer operations for all the world by whoever wins this stuff seems realistic to me from many comments here.

Who knows?

Mike Luther as NC117C


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Mike, a fine morning to you.

Buried deeply under what folks get to see, the Windows crew are automatically making the complete modification of everything above
Windows XP whatever to Windows 10 hidden under anything you folks see starting with January of 2016. You may think you are still working with version 7 or 8 or whatever. But you are not. The huge AUTOMATC
discovery that your whole system has been,shall we suggest as hijacked isn't complete yet, but the total transmission to 'complete' Windows whatever control is currently said to be going on now.

Not too far remote from the known situation, Mike. The philosophy is that
the computor is yours but the OS belongs to MS. Ouch ! This really goes against
the grain. Thus, MS can do whatever their ruddy little heart wishes.

I have no proof this is true or not. It may not be, But if what is pointed toward as complete control of computer operations for all the world by whoever wins this stuff seems realistic to me from many
comments here.

All on the Windows Secrets forum are aware of this. Keep in mind that MS being
a money making concern, will not go out of their ways to loose clients. Apple has been doing this for decades, When were any of their slaves made aware of any update ? This applies to the OS and its engine, not to your personal data.

de: VE2NIC

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In a message on Monday 01-17-16 Dale Shipp said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Dale,

I have two computers that have windows 7 on them (one home , one
pro). Is there any real reason I should take the offer to upgrade
them to windows 10?

NO, at least not to the 64-bit version.

My quandry is that even though Win 10 is free at the moment for both

I don't see how the change would improve things -- and am worried
about what might get hurt. I have a lot of legacy software and
hardware that I've managed to get working on my Win7 computer, but
I'm not sure what would happen to them if I changed.

That is a problem that I'm right now banging my head against. I think
the Dell laptop that was a XMAS present has been upgraded to the 64 bit version. I don't yet have the evidence since I've not seen any mention
of the version.

Software -- a large number of 16 bit DOS applications, Argus,
Maximus, fairly old versions of MS Word and other MS Office
programs, Eudora, and the list goes on.

I'm in same situation, trying to install programs I have, fail to work
under Win 10 on this laptop. Acronis TI9 is one, SIW (diagnostics) is
another. Both installed without a hitch but refuse to run. TI9 tells it
is a 16-bit program, SIW that it's not supported on this computer.

I'm afraid the same will be the case for the FTP, Browser and e-mail
programs I want to install. Only time will tell.

Maybe I have to get used to the programs that are installed on that
laptop, Chrome and what the e-mail program is, I don't know yet.

After the announcement that W10 would be a free upgrade from W7,
I bought and upgraded a secondhand Dell Optiplex, but I insisted that
it should be upgraded to the 32-bit version.

I haven't yet began to use it. A new screen is required for that.
Also I have three OS/2 machines that need attention, so I'll be busy
for a while.

I'd like to hear some pros & cons for making the change or just
leaving things as they are.

So far no one has given me any cons -- but I am still worried.

See above, maybe it will open some eyes.

I'm a newbie to Windows 10, and have not yet got to grips with it,
but once I'll get the Classic Shell installed, I think I'll get
accustomed to it.

What do you mean by Classic Shell?

A (new) start-up screen that is similar to the XP screen.

Here are two sites where you can get it:

http://www.classicshell.net/

http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

Maybe it will save your day. Good luck!


Have a good night,

Holger

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In a message on Monday 01-17-16 Jean Parrot said to Dale Shipp:

GD Jean,

I have a lot of legacy software and hardware that I've managed to
get working on my Win7 computer,

Ditto here. I run all kinds of old software.

The only problem here will be if you try running 16-bit software on
a 64-bit CPU, it will not. I will run on a 32-bit CPU, strange to
say the least. Your option is as you did before, a VM.

THAT is my problem! Today I found a page that specifies what this Dell
laptop has eaten.

The installed Windows 10 is the 32-bit version, BUT it is running on a
64-bit CPU. Problem solved, none of my old software will run on it.

Now I put my hope on the Dell Optiplex 760 stationary machine that it
would have a 32-bit CPU. I will know that when I get a new LCD screen.

but once I'll get the Classic Shell installed, I think I'll get
accustomed to it.

I can not see why Holger wants to run Classic Shell, a personal
desire, I presume.

Sure it's a personal desire. Using it the screen will look similar to
the XP screen, that I'm familiar with, and can navigate.

Of course I have learnt a bit of navigating the Win10 interface, but
it's a bit awkward, compared to an OS/2 and XP interface.

My other computers all run OS/2, but the Dell laptop was a XMAS gift
from my eldest GS, who works for a company in Stockholm. They bought
new computers to their employees, and probably he got it at a reasonable
price.

The Dell Optiplex 760, was the result of the free update to Win10.
It's difficult to neglect free things, and the price was favourable.

Let us not forget that W-10 is still a Windows and its pedigree goes
back 30 years, they have not made a new OS just dressed it up a trifle

Mike Luthers message, in this echo, is really telling the whole story,
and is a very valuable information.

Your information was also welcome as an explanation, to the difficulties
I've had to get old software working on that machine.

Decision now is to learn to use the installed software on it, because I
think most of it will fill my needs.


Have a nice day,

Holger

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Hello Holger!

18 Jan 16 21:44, you wrote to Jean Parrot:

The only problem here will be if you try running 16-bit software
on a 64-bit CPU, it will not. I will run on a 32-bit CPU, strange
to say the least. Your option is as you did before, a VM.

THAT is my problem! Today I found a page that specifies what this Dell laptop has eaten.

The installed Windows 10 is the 32-bit version, BUT it is running on a 64-bit CPU. Problem solved, none of my old software will run on it.

A 64bit compatable cpu will run a 32bit OS without issues.

It will be more of your old software not liking the new OS.



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In a message on Thursday 01-20-16 Stephen Walsh said to Holger Granholm:

GE Stephen,

The only problem here will be if you try running 16-bit software
on a 64-bit CPU, it will not. I will run on a 32-bit CPU, strange
to say the least. Your option is as you did before, a VM.

The installed Windows 10 is the 32-bit version, BUT it is running on
a 64-bit CPU. Problem solved, none of my old software will run on it.

A 64bit compatable cpu will run a 32bit OS without issues.

Yes, but 16-bit software will not run under a 64-bit CPU.
THAT is what Jean wrote.

It will be more of your old software not liking the new OS.

There may be an exception to the above. Text mode programs seem to work.

My file manager, ZTreeWin is a text mode program, and it runs OK on a
32-bit Win10 under a 64-bit CPU.

I will later install the TSEjr (ex QEdit) and/or TSECON44 editors.
As far as I can see they are also text mode programs.

I can use both QEdit/2 v3.0 and TSE (The Semware Editor), under OS/2.
The TSE v1.0 is really a DOS program, hi.

All the QEdit related editors can be configured to mimic any of the
old editors, such as WordStar, WordPerfect, Borland, etc.


73 de Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger

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01-17-16 02:43 Dale Shipp wrote to Holger Granholm about Re: Win7 to Win 10 ?? Howdy! Dale,

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On 01-15-16 16:52, Holger Granholm <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Win7 to Win 10 ?? <=-

-anip-

Software -- a large number of 16 bit DOS applications, Argus, Maximus, fairly old versions of MS Word and other MS Office programs, Eudora,
and the list goes on. Some of these worked fine when I changed from
Win Xp. Others I have to sort of bend over backwards, including
installing Win XP in a virtual machine for my Bluewave.

I'd like to hear some pros & cons for making the change or just
leaving things as they are.

So far no one has given me any cons -- but I am still worried.

www.askwoody.com Woody Leonhard's Ask Woody website has lots of con comments
on it, both from Him and those who make comments to His articles.
He writes Articles on www.infoworld.com and has links to those articles on
His Ask Woody page.

I have heard that to run 16 bit software on WINTEN it has to be ran in a VM like You've done with Bluewave.

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01-18-16 09:04 Jean Parrot wrote to Mike Luther about Win 10 ??
Howdy! Jean,

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Mike, a fine morning to you.

-snip-

.All on the Windows Secrets forum are aware of this. Keep in mind that
MS being a money making concern, will not go out of their ways to loose clients. Apple has been doing this for decades, When were any of their slaves made aware of any update ? This applies to the OS and its
engine, not to your personal data.

When I wrote my message to Dale I forgot about the Windows Secrets Forum.

Yep! Good Info from lots of those folks too.
IIRC I've seen some of them also making comments about WINTEN on Ask Woody.

.de: VE2NIC

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On 01-21-16 23:55, Ed Vance <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Win7 to Win 10 ?? <=-

So far no one has given me any cons -- but I am still worried.

www.askwoody.com Woody Leonhard's Ask Woody website has lots of con comments on it, both from Him and those who make comments to His
articles. He writes Articles on www.infoworld.com and has links to
those articles on His Ask Woody page.

Thanks for that link. It was interesting reading, including some of the
links there to other reviews. I've pretty much decided that there is
no real advantage to making the upgrade, and possible reasons not to --
so I am going to stick with what I have and know, namely Win 7.

I have heard that to run 16 bit software on WINTEN it has to be ran in
a VM like You've done with Bluewave.

Mostly true, although I have found some applications that let me run
most of them directly. DOSBOX is one, but turns out I like vDOS better.
It gives me a method of running the 16 bit apps in the foreground *AND* printing from them. DOSBOX does not support printing.

Dale Shipp
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