Hello All!

As we see people muse over the issues of netmail routing, we do run into a issue caused by the ways people link together to move or get mail.

In the old days, one could reasonably point a routing table entry for an entire
network to one hub and that every routed piece of netmail for anyone or everyone in that net would arrive at the target destination.

Today it is not unusual for a network of a few people or several people to have
some if not all of its members /each/ have a unique separate feed and then not be interconnected amongst each other.

This poses a challenge for ones route table, its easier to point netmail towards an entire net, whereas having a table that has to have individual nodes
pointed to several locations.

Here in NET123, I do feed most of the nodes, but a few do feed elsewhere, Joe Hub Sysop doesnt know which ones feed where, then thusly gets fingered as being
a netmail bottleneck, unjustly so.

I do plan on putting up a mechanism that will allow nets/nodes and hubs to report routing, but it is going to take some time.

==
Ross
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HI ROss,

Ross Cassell wrote in a message to All:

In the old days, one could reasonably point a routing table entry
for an entire network to one hub and that every routed piece of
netmail for anyone or everyone in that net would arrive at the
target destination.

Those days are gone. My system is a prime example of that <G>.

This poses a challenge for ones route table, its easier to point
netmail towards an entire net, whereas having a table that has to
have individual nodes pointed to several locations.

THIs poses a question. See below.

I do plan on putting up a mechanism that will allow nets/nodes and
hubs to report routing, but it is going to take some time.

WOUld it help if more hubs and individual nodes flew the ping flag? I don't fly it in my entry, but have a mechanism set up to support it through netmgr.

Regards,
Richard
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Hello All!

As we see people muse over the issues of netmail routing, we do run into
a issue caused by the ways people link together to move or get mail.

In the old days, one could reasonably point a routing table entry for an entire network to one hub and that every routed piece of netmail for
anyone or everyone in that net would arrive at the target destination.

Today it is not unusual for a network of a few people or several people
to have some if not all of its members /each/ have a unique separate
feed and then not be interconnected amongst each other.

This poses a challenge for ones route table, its easier to point netmail towards an entire net, whereas having a table that has to have
individual nodes pointed to several locations.

Here in NET123, I do feed most of the nodes, but a few do feed
elsewhere, Joe Hub Sysop doesnt know which ones feed where, then thusly
gets fingered as being a netmail bottleneck, unjustly so.

I do plan on putting up a mechanism that will allow nets/nodes and hubs
to report routing, but it is going to take some time.

Every node should be prepared, and able to connect with their NC regularly, just as every NC should be able to do the same with their RC, that way routing can always default to host-routed. I believe this is stated so in pee4.





.....Bob





.....Bob

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Hello BOb,

Bob Seaborn wrote in a message to Ross Cassell:

Every node should be prepared, and able to connect with their
NC regularly, just as every NC should be able to do the same with
their RC, that way routing can always default to host-routed. I
believe this is stated so in pee4.

WOuld be nice, but in my case, my nc is ion, I'm pots only.
Ideas?


Regards,
Richard
--- timEd 1.10.y2k+
* Origin: Radio REscue net operations BBS (1:116/901)

Every node should be prepared, and able to connect with their
NC regularly, just as every NC should be able to do the same with
their RC, that way routing can always default to host-routed. I
believe this is stated so in pee4.

WOuld be nice, but in my case, my nc is ion, I'm pots only.
Ideas?

Then you need to find an intermediary who can handle both, and is agreeable to route traffic between you both. OR one of you add a second format
to allow communication with the other.


Or you switch to an ip-only net, if your region offers one.





.....Bob

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Hello Bob!

14 Jul 08 08:13, you wrote to Richard Webb:

WOuld be nice, but in my case, my nc is ion, I'm pots only.
Ideas?

Then you need to find an intermediary who can handle both, and
is agreeable to route traffic between you both. OR one of you add a second format to allow communication with the other.

But this introduces that which I mused about, if routing is to be accurate and an arrangement like this is made, this info has to be made available so that everyone else can route netmail meant for him properly.

However as it is, in his case, I specifically direct netmail for his node to his feed. If you had a direct connection into NET116 and didnt know this specific info????

Or you switch to an ip-only net, if your region offers one.

He is POTS only.

==
Ross
Fidonet Feeds Or Fidonet In Your Newsreader: http://www.easternstar.info E-mail: ross(at)cassell(dot)us | Blogs/Other Places: http://links.cassell.us ... Martin Luther King Jr, was a Republican!
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20060121
* Origin: The Eastern Star - Spartanburg, SC USA (1:123/456)

HEllo Bob,

Bob Seaborn wrote in a message to Richard Webb:

Every node should be prepared, and able to connect with their
NC regularly, just as every NC should be able to do the same with
their RC, that way routing can always default to host-routed. I
believe this is stated so in pee4.

WOuld be nice, but in my case, my nc is ion, I'm pots only.

Then you need to find an intermediary who can handle both, and
is agreeable to route traffic between you both. OR one of you add a
second format to allow communication with the other.

Internet isn't practical here at the moment, hence I"m plain ol' modem on a phone line only. My nc is internet only, no pots, but we've arranged intermediaries that work most of the time <g>. We've worked rather well together on this in fact, so there's no problem there, but as Ross notes, makes
it a problem for routing tables.


Still wonder if nodes such as myself and others who are not internet capable should endeavor to fly the ping flag to help those building routing tables.

Or you switch to an ip-only net, if your region offers one.

SEe above.


Regards,
Richard
--- timEd 1.10.y2k+
* Origin: Radio REscue net operations BBS (1:116/901)

Hello Bob!

14 Jul 08 08:13, you wrote to Richard Webb:

WOuld be nice, but in my case, my nc is ion, I'm pots only.
Ideas?

Then you need to find an intermediary who can handle both, and
is agreeable to route traffic between you both. OR one of you add a
second format to allow communication with the other.

But this introduces that which I mused about, if routing is to be
accurate and an arrangement like this is made, this info has to be made available so that everyone else can route netmail meant for him
properly.

However as it is, in his case, I specifically direct netmail for his
node to his feed. If you had a direct connection into NET116 and didnt
know this specific info????

I haven't had a 116 link here in ages. That's why I give such traffic
to you. :)

Or you switch to an ip-only net, if your region offers one.

He is POTS only.

==
Ross
Fidonet Feeds Or Fidonet In Your Newsreader: http://www.easternstar.infoE-mail: ross(at)cassell(dot)us | Blogs/Other Places: http://links.cassell.us
... Martin Luther King Jr, was a Republican!
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20060121
* Origin: The Eastern Star - Spartanburg, SC USA (1:123/456)

--- GEcho/32 & IM 2.50
* Origin: www.nwstar.com - Backbone Provider (1:140/12)

Hi Richard,

Every node should be prepared, and able to connect with their
NC regularly, just as every NC should be able to do the same with
their RC, that way routing can always default to host-routed. I
believe this is stated so in pee4.

WOuld be nice, but in my case, my nc is ion, I'm pots only.
Then you need to find an intermediary who can handle both, and
is agreeable to route traffic between you both. OR one of you add a
second format to allow communication with the other.

Internet isn't practical here at the moment, hence I"m plain ol' modem on a phone line only. My nc is internet only, no pots, but we've arranged

Danny Walters is your NC, correct? He needs to update his nodelist entry if he
doesn't have POTS going over there.

Maybe Ross has an email address for him and can contact him about that.

intermediaries that work most of the time <g>. We've worked rather well
together on this in fact, so there's no problem there, but as Ross notes, make
it a problem for routing tables.

That's good - and you have a connection here as well which is good - my system can do any type of connection necessary. From here, mail is going to flow right to the main Star systems and RCs, most of whom have agreed to take any netmail I get in for their regions.

Still wonder if nodes such as myself and others who are not internet capable should endeavor to fly the ping flag to help those building routing tables.

That's so software specific though. For instance, I don't have a ping feature in any of the software I run.

Take care,
Janis

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HI Janis,

Janis Kracht wrote in a message to Richard Webb:

Internet isn't practical here at the moment, hence I"m plain ol' modem on a phone line only. My nc is internet only, no pots, but we've arranged

Danny Walters is your NC, correct? He needs to update his nodelist
entry if he doesn't have POTS going over there.

Last I knew no answer on that number, that's why he routes things to you for me
to keep from creating a loop with Ross's system. HOwever I think we have that fixed now. We got it worked out anyway.
NOt sure if it was his or nec's that was answered by somebody else, but think his modem went on the fritz and he just never bothered to replace it.

Maybe Ross has an email address for him and can contact him about
that.
That's good - and you have a connection here as well which is good -
my system can do any type of connection necessary. From here, mail
is going to flow right to the main Star systems and RCs, most of
whom have agreed to take any netmail I get in for their regions.

Always a good thing. Because of this I poll you at least twice per day, right after zmh, and evenings, even if I"m not home <g>>

Still wonder if nodes such as myself and others who are not internet capable should endeavor to fly the ping flag to help those building routing tables.

That's so software specific though. For instance, I don't have a
ping feature in any of the software I run.

Yah I know, and a problem. HOWever, these days internet only seems to be as standard, at least this side of the world, as pots used to be. A C with a difficult to connect with node in his/her coverage area could always send a netmail to ping at the troublesome address. I"ve set up a ping mask for netmgr here. Haven't had a real good chance to test it, were some netmail routing glitches happening at the time when a z2 node was going to test drive it and see if it met spec. from all appearances it should however.

Was a thought anyway.
Best bet's still good old fashioned human to human communication <g>.

Regards,
Richard
--- timEd 1.10.y2k+
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Richard Webb wrote:

WOuld be nice, but in my case, my nc is ion, I'm pots only.
Ideas?

Sorry for my absence.

What you need to do is find a node that has both ion and pots
capabilities and arrange your netmail to be routed through that node.

Janis is both ion and pots... perhaps you can make that arrangement.

Allen
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Richard,

I'm stumbling in at the last minute and don't fully understand this thread, but

is it my understanding that you need a POTS (dialup) fido feed?

I pull the entire backbone from Ross Cassell via an internet connection, but I do have a modem online and if needed, I can feed you.

I See your located in Eads, TN so I know its long distance for you, (I'm in North Charleston, SC), but I have Vonage for phone service so I have free
long distance, I just don't know what kind of speed we'll get over Vonage. Be interesting to find out tho.

The only issue is the fact I haven't hubbed to anyone in over 10 years, so we may have to work some bugs out.

Give me a shout, call me at home weekdays between 4pm and 10pm or all
day on the weekends, or crash netmail to 1:372/6

David Farr
The Information Exchange Network

843-278-0693 - Voice
843-278-2714 - Data


On 7/15/2008 1:41 PM, Richard Webb wrote to Janis Kracht:

SGID: 1:116/901.0 87c9e4e4
EPLY: 1:261/38 20981345
HI Janis,

Janis Kracht wrote in a message to Richard Webb:

Internet isn't practical here at the moment, hence I"m plain ol' modem

on a

phone line only. My nc is internet only, no pots, but we've arranged

Danny Walters is your NC, correct? He needs to update his nodelist entry if he doesn't have POTS going over there.

Last I knew no answer on that number, that's why he routes things to you

for me

to keep from creating a loop with Ross's system. HOwever I think we have

that

fixed now. We got it worked out anyway.
NOt sure if it was his or nec's that was answered by somebody else, but

think

his modem went on the fritz and he just never bothered to replace it.

Maybe Ross has an email address for him and can contact him about
that.
That's good - and you have a connection here as well which is good -
my system can do any type of connection necessary. From here, mail
is going to flow right to the main Star systems and RCs, most of
whom have agreed to take any netmail I get in for their regions.

Always a good thing. Because of this I poll you at least twice per day,

right

after zmh, and evenings, even if I"m not home <g>>

Still wonder if nodes such as myself and others who are not internet

capable

should endeavor to fly the ping flag to help those building routing

tables.

That's so software specific though. For instance, I don't have a
ping feature in any of the software I run.

Yah I know, and a problem. HOWever, these days internet only seems to

be as

standard, at least this side of the world, as pots used to be. A C with a difficult to connect with node in his/her coverage area could always send a netmail to ping at the troublesome address. I"ve set up a ping mask for

netmgr

here. Haven't had a real good chance to test it, were some netmail routing glitches happening at the time when a z2 node was going to test drive it

and

see if it met spec. from all appearances it should however.

Was a thought anyway.
Best bet's still good old fashioned human to human communication <g>.

Regards,
Richard
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Hello David,

On Sat 2036-Aug-23 14:17, DAVID FARR (1:372/6) wrote to Richard Webb:

I'm stumbling in at the last minute and don't fully understand this
thread, but is it my understanding that you need a POTS (dialup)
fido feed?

GOt that happening through Mark LEwis, mainly was talking
routed netmail, host routed in particular.
THanks a bunch for the offer though.


Regards,
Richard
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