On 08-23-08 14:17, David Farr <=-
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I See your located in Eads, TN so I know its long distance for you,
(I'm in North Charleston, SC), but I have Vonage for phone service so
I have free long distance, I just don't know what kind of speed we'll
get over Vonage. Be interesting to find out tho.

I'm curious. IIRC, Vonage is a voice over IP (VOIP) service, much like
Skype, Comcast web phone, Verizon web phone etc. I also seem to recall
a statement that a normal dial-up modem will not work over those types
of service. Is that correct?

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) comcast (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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I'm curious. IIRC, Vonage is a voice over IP (VOIP) service, much like Skype, Comcast web phone, Verizon web phone etc. I also seem to recall
a statement that a normal dial-up modem will not work over those types
of service. Is that correct?

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) comcast (dot) net
(1:261/1466)

First I heard of this. Im using Vonage. Call in and try it if you
want...

843-278-2714 is the dialin line
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Replying to a message of Dale Shipp to David Farr:

On 08-23-08 14:17, David Farr <=-
spoke to Richard Webb about RE: Old Versus New - Ways <=-

I See your located in Eads, TN so I know its long distance for you,
(I'm in North Charleston, SC), but I have Vonage for phone service
so I have free long distance, I just don't know what kind of speed
we'll get over Vonage. Be interesting to find out tho.

I'm curious. IIRC, Vonage is a voice over IP (VOIP) service, much
like Skype, Comcast web phone, Verizon web phone etc. I also seem to recall a statement that a normal dial-up modem will not work over
those types of service. Is that correct?

I suspect it has to do with bandwidth. The ordinary phone line was designed
to reliably pass frequencies in the normal voice range, very roughly 100 to about
5,000 hertz. Modems exceed that top limit by quite a bit, but the system was over-designed in the first place and can handle that, although I think dial-up reached its physical limit with the 56KB connections. The logical (VOIP) connections don't have to and most likely don't pass more than the normal voice-range frequencies, so ordinary modems won't work properly, if at all. Plus, there's a whale
of a difference between physical and logical connections; with logical connections the
individual data packets have to be reassembled, in order, to effect the connection -
with voice connections this is easily possible, effecting a data connection is I guess
possible, but the connect speed is going to be terrible because of the lag.

That said, I read years ago that AT&T had developed technology that allows
the phone system to determine if a particular call is a voice or data call - this having something to do with AT&T's multiplexing and compression technology that allows them to push ever more calls down the same set of
wires.

All of that said, Ray Gwinn developed a virtual modem in his SIO package for OS/2. It allowed you to 'dial' and connect to sites over the Internet, as far as
Binkley was concerned it was a dial-up connect, but it was in fact over the Internet. I don't know if that could be adapted to work with VOIP technology.

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On 08-24-08 06:31, Bob Ackley <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Old Versus New - Way <=-

I suspect it has to do with bandwidth. The ordinary phone line was

Perhaps, or perhaps (if true) it has to do with the coding used by
modems to cram more bauds down the limited bandwidth. If VOIP does not
work, it might be (guessing again) a digitization that might not
faithfully preserve the phase information needed for the coding of a
moden.

All of that said, Ray Gwinn developed a virtual modem in his SIO
package for OS/2. It allowed you to 'dial' and connect to sites over
the Internet, as far as
Binkley was concerned it was a dial-up connect, but it was in fact
over the Internet. I don't know if that could be adapted to work with VOIP technology.

Yes, I used SIO for years with InterMail when I had my system on an OS/2 machine. It really helped.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) comcast (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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Dale Shipp wrote:

Perhaps, or perhaps (if true) it has to do with the coding used by
modems to cram more bauds down the limited bandwidth. If VOIP does not
work, it might be (guessing again) a digitization that might not
faithfully preserve the phase information needed for the coding of a
moden.

Call vonage and tell them that you are having a lot of difficulty faxing
and ask them if they can change the parameters on your interface box.

They will make some adjustments that will greatly improve modem communications.

Allen
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Hi Allen,

Perhaps, or perhaps (if true) it has to do with the coding used by
modems to cram more bauds down the limited bandwidth. If VOIP does not
work, it might be (guessing again) a digitization that might not
faithfully preserve the phase information needed for the coding of a
moden.

Call vonage and tell them that you are having a lot of difficulty faxing
and ask them if they can change the parameters on your interface box.

They will make some adjustments that will greatly improve modem communications.

That's a _good_ idea Allen ... I'll have to make a note of that. We're not using voip here yet, but I'd like to play with it one of these days :)

Take care,
Janis

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On 08-26-08 06:15, Allen Prunty <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Old Versus New - Way <=-

Call vonage and tell them that you are having a lot of difficulty
faxing and ask them if they can change the parameters on your
interface box.

They will make some adjustments that will greatly improve modem communications.

Sorry if my statement before mis-led you. I don't have vonage -- but
was stating what I had heard so that perhaps those that know could
either confirm or deny the rumor.

Reading between the lines, it seems if modems can work over at least
some VOIP, and the rumor I'd heard is not true.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) comcast (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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I have Vonage for both my voice line and the bbs dialin line. If you want to try it out, point your dialer to 843-278-0693

David Farr
Information Exchange Network BBS
North Charleston, SC

(843) 278-2714 - Dialin



On 8/26/2008 11:30 PM, Dale Shipp wrote to Allen Prunty:

Sorry if my statement before mis-led you. I don't have vonage -- but
was stating what I had heard so that perhaps those that know could
either confirm or deny the rumor.

Reading between the lines, it seems if modems can work over at least
some VOIP, and the rumor I'd heard is not true.

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On 8/29/2008 3:01 PM, DAVID FARR wrote to Dale Shipp:

I have Vonage for both my voice line and the bbs dialin line. If you want

to try it out, point your dialer to 843-278-0693

.

Oops, Thats my voice line, try the bbs line at 843-278-2714

On 8/26/2008 11:30 PM, Dale Shipp wrote to Allen Prunty:

Sorry if my statement before mis-led you. I don't have vonage -- but
was stating what I had heard so that perhaps those that know could
either confirm or deny the rumor.

Reading between the lines, it seems if modems can work over at least
some VOIP, and the rumor I'd heard is not true.

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On 08-29-08 15:01, David Farr <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Old Versus New - Way <=-

I have Vonage for both my voice line and the bbs dialin line. If you
want to try it out, point your dialer to 843-278-0693

I don't have a modem on this computer. I connect to the internet via
cable.

I was questioning whether or not vonage would work with a modem --
because I had heard that it would not. Enough people have said that it
does work, I believe that and not what I had heard years ago.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) comcast (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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Well, as I've said, I have Vonage on both my lines, and while I've not made outgoing calls to other bbs's, I have freq'd a couple of files from others and have connected via 31.2 and 33.6 calling out, and I do have a couple of
users calling in and getting the same connect speeds. I also have annother user that gets 28.8 ever time. Now thats not to say other voice over IP providers don't have issues, but a few years back I also had Knology cable TV/Internet/Phone and didnt have any issues either. The difference with Knology tho is that I didn't have a phone modem like with Vonage.


On 8/29/2008 10:53 PM, Dale Shipp wrote to David Farr:

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On 08-29-08 15:01, David Farr <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Old Versus New - Way <=-

I have Vonage for both my voice line and the bbs dialin line. If you want to try it out, point your dialer to 843-278-0693

I don't have a modem on this computer. I connect to the internet via
cable.

I was questioning whether or not vonage would work with a modem --
because I had heard that it would not. Enough people have said that it does work, I believe that and not what I had heard years ago.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) comcast (dot) net
(1:261/1466)

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Well, as I've said, I have Vonage on both my lines, and while I've not made outgoing calls to other bbs's, I have freq'd a couple of files from others and have connected via 31.2 and 33.6 calling out, and I do have a couple of
users calling in and getting the same connect speeds. I also have annother user that gets 28.8 ever time. Now thats not to say other voice over IP providers don't have issues, but a few years back I also had Knology cable TV/Internet/Phone and didnt have any issues either. The difference with Knology tho is that I didn't have a phone modem like with Vonage.


On 8/29/2008 10:53 PM, Dale Shipp wrote to David Farr:

EPLY: 1:372/6 52ba07cd
SGID: 1:261/1466.0 48b8b60c

On 08-29-08 15:01, David Farr <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Old Versus New - Way <=-

I have Vonage for both my voice line and the bbs dialin line. If you want to try it out, point your dialer to 843-278-0693

I don't have a modem on this computer. I connect to the internet via
cable.

I was questioning whether or not vonage would work with a modem --
because I had heard that it would not. Enough people have said that it does work, I believe that and not what I had heard years ago.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) comcast (dot) net
(1:261/1466)

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Sorry if my statement before mis-led you. I don't have vonage -- but
was stating what I had heard so that perhaps those that know could
either confirm or deny the rumor.

Reading between the lines, it seems if modems can work over at least
some VOIP, and the rumor I'd heard is not true.

Dale, allow me to clarify something as I have been with 5 or 6 different
voice over IP technologies, including vonyage, skype, majick jack, and some other weird name that I'd probably never use again.

Vonage and a few others offer a service of providing 2 ports on their SIP. 1 is for voice only, the other is for FAXing. The faxing has modem quality and can be used for slow speed modem dial-up. The voice quality has noise and echo canceling, which keeps the modem from establishing a connection and
keeps it from reliably transfering when you can make a 110baud-300baud connect. On the fax line, you need to disable all compression and echo/noise cancelation. Unfortiantly this will also suck down all the bandwidth it can, so if your ISP is like mine and charges you extra if you exceed a set amount, you'll be paying more than your long distance bill! I have never tried it, but Magic Jack would be interesting to see if you used the option for the cellular bandwidth .... It might be a way of connecting via magic jack.... Beyond that, haven't heard of any of the other services providing fax quality voice over IP service....

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