Hello All!

After 2.66 years, I am reviewing the dead echoes, am only through the C's and the death tolls are high, most have traffic as recent as Aug to Oct 2011, most auto posts, while others are knock knock posts.

More to follow..

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Hello All!

03 Mar 12 20:46, I wrote to you:

After 2.66 years, I am reviewing the dead echoes, am only through the
C's and the death tolls are high, most have traffic as recent as Aug
to Oct 2011, most auto posts, while others are knock knock posts.

More to follow..

Okay I identified 93 dead echoes....

207 - 93 = 114

45% mortality

However, 114 echoes is not all that bad for a network our size..

As a Hotel, we dont need so many rooms anymore!

I will publish the list later on.

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Hello Ross,

On Sat 2012-Mar-03 21:46, Ross Cassell (1:123/456) wrote to All:

45% mortality

That doesn't surprise me.

I note I didn't see backbone.dst when my uplink processed
incoming files during the event he does, but you indicated
one was hatched. I'll watch see if it shows up in my
inbound tonight after he processes incoming files.

A couple of other surprises though folks might want to note
...

Muffin dropped out of backbone.na but 10th_amd remains.
That echo seems to be a globally distributed bad messages
area. I haven't seen any discussion of the 10th amendment
to the U.S. constitution there for a long time. I've seen
plenty of errant netmail tosses, messages intended for
echoes in other networks and everything else there though.

Glad to see most software support echoes made it though.


Regards,
Richard
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Hello Richard!

05 Mar 12 20:00, you wrote to me:

45% mortality

That doesn't surprise me.

Considering I let a considerable amount of time pass since the last audit..

I note I didn't see backbone.dst when my uplink processed
incoming files during the event he does, but you indicated
one was hatched. I'll watch see if it shows up in my
inbound tonight after he processes incoming files.

My oversight, I hatched it just a few minutes agoo..

A couple of other surprises though folks might want to note
...

Muffin dropped out of backbone.na but 10th_amd remains.
That echo seems to be a globally distributed bad messages
area. I haven't seen any discussion of the 10th amendment
to the U.S. constitution there for a long time. I've seen
plenty of errant netmail tosses, messages intended for
echoes in other networks and everything else there though.

I didnt linger in each echo to proofread the content or its quality, I may have
took noteof knock knock messages or robot posts..

Glad to see most software support echoes made it though.

I almost nuked a few, but decided to spare them the axe *this time*.

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Hi Ross,

I didnt linger in each echo to proofread the content or its quality, I may hav
took noteof knock knock messages or robot posts..

Yahoonews is pretty busy to be deleted though Ross..19 messages in the last 7 days .. I know it's a 'robot' post, but it's headlines..

Take care,
Janis

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Hello Janis!

05 Mar 12 21:26, you wrote to me:

I didnt linger in each echo to proofread the content or its quality,
I may hav took noteof knock knock messages or robot posts..

Yahoonews is pretty busy to be deleted though Ross..19 messages in the last 7 days .. I know it's a 'robot' post, but it's headlines..

I didnt drop yahoonews...

Essentially if an echo had any 2012 traffic, I skipped over..

I dropped YAHOONEWS probably in the prior purge which was probably June/July 2009..

I cannot realistically expect that you or Bob thoroughly followed up on the prior purges or this one, BACKBONE.DST is a record of echoes that have been removed since I began this process.

btw, if I followed the criteria used by the original NAB or the Z1B, backbone.na would have less than 50 echoes and that is not even factoring in the echolist!!

Why I think the old methodology is too anal for todays Fidonet, I do have a expectation which is not unreasonable that when a link areafixes "+*" they get a bunch of echoes with coherent activity..

With that said, if YAHOONEWS revived itself, then someone forgot to tell Mr NAB
Robot, aka moi.. I would have gladly relisted it in BACKBONE.NA, then added it back into my setup and discovered traffic!!! Looks like the moderator dropped the ball here, its not like as the NAB ROBOT I am as quiet as a church mouse, wouldnt you agree?

Soap box mode off, no offense intended.. :-)

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Hi ross,

On Mon 2012-Mar-05 18:56, Ross Cassell (1:123/456) wrote to Richard Webb:

I note I didn't see backbone.dst when my uplink processed
incoming files during the event he does, but you indicated
one was hatched. I'll watch see if it shows up in my
inbound tonight after he processes incoming files.

My oversight, I hatched it just a few minutes agoo..

Was wondering about that. I didn't really pay attention to
the file announcements elsewhere, just me and my uplink's.

A couple of other surprises though folks might want to note
...

Muffin dropped out of backbone.na but 10th_amd remains.
That echo seems to be a globally distributed bad messages
area. I haven't seen any discussion of the 10th amendment
to the U.S. constitution there for a long time. I've seen
plenty of errant netmail tosses, messages intended for
echoes in other networks and everything else there though.

I didnt linger in each echo to proofread the content or its quality,
I may have took noteof knock knock messages or robot posts..

Can relate to that.

Glad to see most software support echoes made it though.

I almost nuked a few, but decided to spare them the axe *this time*.

That too!

Thanks for the clarification.


Regards,
Richard
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Hi Janis,

On Mon 2012-Mar-05 21:26, Janis Kracht (1:261/38) wrote to Ross Cassell:

Hi Ross,

I didnt linger in each echo to proofread the content or its quality, I may hav
took noteof knock knock messages or robot posts..

Yahoonews is pretty busy to be deleted though Ross..19 messages in
the last 7 days .. I know it's a 'robot' post, but it's headlines..

<wow> Last I looked that echo it was dead from 3634/12.
Maybe I should link through you!

<damn> SHoulda thought of checking your available list and
trying it there. Been a year or so since I think I tried
linking to it via 3634/12.

Maybe your link with Ross on that one is broken. oR
somebody's is for that one. <interesting>. Then i see
Ross's reply on that one.
Isn't Ben mod for that one?

I'll wait on that areafix until we know what's happening
with your link with Ross on that one. Would rather get it
via 3634/12 as I have more frequent connections with him
because of other nonfido stuff he grabs for me via
automation.


Regards,
Richard
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* An ongoing debate between Ross Cassell and Janis Kracht rages on ...

With that said, if YAHOONEWS revived itself, then someone forgot to
tell Mr NAB Robot, aka moi.. I would have gladly relisted it in BACKBONE.NA, then added it back into my setup and discovered
traffic!!! Looks like the moderator dropped the ball here, its not
like as the NAB ROBOT I am as quiet as a church mouse, wouldnt you
agree?

Nope, since it's inception YahooNews has had daily posts from me, without fail (ok, one day or two maybe, but hardly no traffic). Broken feed maybe? My uplink
is Janis so you might check ...

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* An ongoing debate between Ross Cassell and Janis Kracht rages on ...

With that said, if YAHOONEWS revived itself, then someone forgot to
tell Mr NAB Robot, aka moi.. I would have gladly relisted it in
BACKBONE.NA, then added it back into my setup and discovered
traffic!!! Looks like the moderator dropped the ball here, its not
like as the NAB ROBOT I am as quiet as a church mouse, wouldnt you
agree?

Nope, since it's inception YahooNews has had daily posts from me, without fail >(ok, one day or two maybe, but hardly no traffic). Broken feed maybe? My uplin
is Janis so you might check ...

Ok, Ross is in the scan list now for sure <g>

Thanks for your effort Ben :)

Take care,
Janis

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Hey Richard,

Yahoonews is pretty busy to be deleted though Ross..19 messages in
the last 7 days .. I know it's a 'robot' post, but it's headlines..

<wow> Last I looked that echo it was dead from 3634/12.
Maybe I should link through you!

Well, you know my uh, beast as-I-call-it of an areamanager.. all someone has to
do is send it a wrong regular expression and it will add or delete some number of (to the person) unexpected areas.. that's probably what happened with this one a while back.

<damn> SHoulda thought of checking your available list and
trying it there. Been a year or so since I think I tried
linking to it via 3634/12.

Maybe your link with Ross on that one is broken. oR
somebody's is for that one. <interesting>. Then i see
Ross's reply on that one.
Isn't Ben mod for that one?

Yep, and he wasn't in the scan list. fixed that one today. <g>

I'll wait on that areafix until we know what's happening
with your link with Ross on that one. Would rather get it
via 3634/12 as I have more frequent connections with him
because of other nonfido stuff he grabs for me via
automation.

Should be cooking shortly since I just updated the list here.

Take care,
Janis

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Hi Ross,

I didnt drop yahoonews...

Essentially if an echo had any 2012 traffic, I skipped over..

Hmm.. ok..

I've got you connected now so maybe another update this weekend would be good


Thanks Ross!
Janis

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HI Janis,

On Tue 2012-Mar-06 08:56, Janis Kracht (1:261/38) wrote to Richard Webb:

<damn> SHoulda thought of checking your available list and
trying it there. Been a year or so since I think I tried
linking to it via 3634/12.

Maybe your link with Ross on that one is broken. oR
somebody's is for that one. <interesting>. Then i see
Ross's reply on that one.
Isn't Ben mod for that one?

Yep, and he wasn't in the scan list. fixed that one today. <g>

Cool! I sent out a link request with you for it, may switch if Ross is seeing traffic in it. Meanwhile I'll pull it
from you. Thanks!

Should be cooking shortly since I just updated the list here.

Thanks a bunch! That's another good bit of fallout from
these audits, we check broken links.

Regards,
Richard
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Hi Richard,

somebody's is for that one. <interesting>. Then i see
Ross's reply on that one.
Isn't Ben mod for that one?

Yep, and he wasn't in the scan list. fixed that one today. <g>

Cool! I sent out a link request with you for it, may switch if Ross is seeing
traffic in it. Meanwhile I'll pull it
from you. Thanks!

Sounds fine, Richard <g>

Should be cooking shortly since I just updated the list here.

Thanks a bunch! That's another good bit of fallout from
these audits, we check broken links.

hehe don't tell Ross that (just kidding!)

Take care,
Janis

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Hello Janis,

On Tue 2012-Mar-06 13:15, Janis Kracht (1:261/38) wrote to Richard Webb:

Cool! I sent out a link request with you for it, may switch if Ross is seeing
traffic in it. Meanwhile I'll pull it
from you. Thanks!

Sounds fine, Richard <g>

Should be cooking shortly since I just updated the list here.

Thanks a bunch! That's another good bit of fallout from
these audits, we check broken links.

hehe don't tell Ross that (just kidding!)

<rotfl> IT is though, we find out waht's broken. WOuld
probably be a good idea for mods who really care to send out a test about once a year in their echoes requesting all the
major echomail movers to reply if they're connected, that
way we as mods can chase broken links ourselves, take the
weight off the backbone admin.
GUess the onus is really on us as mods to do that, but a
process such as Ross's backbone audits helps too.

Regards,
Richard
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<damn> SHoulda thought of checking your available list and
trying it there. Been a year or so since I think I tried
linking to it via 3634/12.

Maybe your link with Ross on that one is broken. oR
somebody's is for that one. <interesting>. Then i see
Ross's reply on that one.
Isn't Ben mod for that one?

Yep, and he wasn't in the scan list. fixed that one today. <g>

Cool! I sent out a link request with you for it, may switch if
Ross is seeing traffic in it. Meanwhile I'll pull it
from you. Thanks!

i may have to send an AF request for it... it is possible that it got dropped some years back due to software changes or problems on other systems... i've never seen my system just drop areas for no reason... i'll try to get one out in a minnit...

i also noted a drop message for fido-req which has had daily activity with all the other newly arrived files areas... i have a netmail off to the uplink about
that one...

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Hello Ben!

06 Mar 12 05:24, you wrote to me:

not like as the NAB ROBOT I am as quiet as a church mouse,
wouldnt you agree?

Nope, since it's inception YahooNews has had daily posts from me,
without fail (ok, one day or two maybe, but hardly no traffic). Broken feed maybe? My uplink is Janis so you might check ...

I seem to recall when yahoonews was added?????

Whenever I added an echo to the backbone, the first thing I do is place it in my hub cfgs and auto add my fellow nab peers, my jamnntpd server and docsplace.. I assume that my nab peers auto add me, everyone else just sends in
areafix requests to me, their uplinks etc etc etc..

So I had assumed I was linked into your echo, when I did the audit, saw no traffic...

I have placed yahoonews and one other echo back into my cfgs and will update backbone files this weekend..

For future audits, I will recheck my linkages, exempting any echo that fell through the cracks on linkages from that particular audit.

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* An ongoing debate between Ross Cassell and Ben Ritchey rages on ...

For future audits, I will recheck my linkages, exempting any echo that fell through the cracks on linkages from that particular audit.

Thank you sir ;-)


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